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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by Lascaille » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 12:59 AM UTC

oliveroak wrote: post #13

freedomben wrote: post #7

One of the hosts wrote this about it [1]: particularly appropriate quote: > What casual observers might not understand, however, is just how far the policy goes. Not only does YouTube punish channels that spread misinformation, but in many cases, it also punishes channels that report on the spread of misinformation. The platform makes no distinction between the speaker and the content creator. If a channel produces a…

why don't they build their own platform? youtube can do what they want on their website.

>youtube can do what they want on their website.

This isn't a sophomoric forum like reddit. This is meant to be a place where adults discuss. Adults can see that there are democratic implications of the scenario you're describing worthy of discussion. 'Another platform' may take years to develop, and nothing stops Youtube or another hostile player from simply buying it out and kneecapping it, and how many elections are influenced while that takes place?

Please don't just repeat talking points, it adds nothing to the conversation.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by andrewjf » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 12:59 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #69

cm2187 wrote: post #8

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

> Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because voters just didn’t like you that much.

What you're saying is only true in a dream world where gerrymandering, closing polling places, and preventing access to ballot boxes (in-person or otherwise) isn't happening. Unfortunately this isn't the case. So, no, you are wrong.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by Lascaille » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:00 AM UTC

lliamander wrote: post #76

k2enemy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by vkou » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:00 AM UTC

will4274 wrote: post #45

vkou wrote: post #38

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I don't recall the Women's March on DC storming the capitol in an effort to prevent ratification, but sure, if you define 'messed with' broadly enough, you will be 'technically correct'. In much the same way as dying of starvation can be technically described as 'missing a couple of meals'. The difference between the two sides is that one believes that the system works, but is unfair, and the other one believes nothi…

I mean the anti Vietnam war movement blew up a bomb in the Senate mail room in the Capitol on two separate occasions (and got a pardon from Bill Clinton 30 years later). Is storming worse than bombing?

I would like to remind you that the anti-Vietnam war movement at Kent State[1] was literally machine-gunned by the army.

It was a bit of a different time. But maybe not that different.

[1] https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/kent-state-shooti...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by slowmovintarget » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:01 AM UTC

hobs wrote: post #83

freedomben wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not GP, but Hilary Clinton 2016 [1]: > “There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.” [1]: https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-ma…

The difference is that with Bush you have hanging chads and a court decision that after the votes were counted would have probably come out differently, and a concerted political effort to turn that to their advantage. The republican party just literally spent months on questioning the election in places like Arizona with no evidence of any fraud, and there's plenty of documentation on how (almost always republican)…

Nope. They finished the recounts. Three times. None of them came out in Gore's favor.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lliamander » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:01 AM UTC

BeetleB wrote: post #63

will4274 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the anti Vietnam war movement blew up a bomb in the Senate mail room in the Capitol on two separate occasions (and got a pardon from Bill Clinton 30 years later). Is storming worse than bombing?

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None of the protestors at the capitol killed anyone. The police did kill at least one protestor though.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by fineIllregister » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:01 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #69

cm2187 wrote: post #8

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Hillary has been claiming the 2016 election was stolen by Russia for Trump for six years now, and nobody seems to fret about how she’s undermining democracy. There were even many faithless electors that tried to overturn the results. Much like Trump, she just can’t seem to admit she lost. Both parties need to learn that if you lose it’s because you didn’t get enough votes and to reflect on why that is. Although I’m s…

Clinton conceded the day after the election, filed zero law suits contesting it, and told her supporters to accept the outcome.

She raised specific complaints regarding the process, but never suggested that they invalidated the results.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by innocentoldguy » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

kemiller wrote: post #64

freedomben wrote: post #28

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For those of us who lived through the years of "selected not elected" it is a remarkable double standard. Or, being charitable, a remarkable reversal of opinion. (I tried to slip the expression "flip flop" in there as a joke since that was a popular and widely over-used term at the time too, but I couldn't make it work).

There's a huge difference: in Bush v. Gore, Gore stepped aside for the good of the country, choosing to respect the institution of the courts even if the decision was dodgy. Trump is willing to burn down the institutions if it gives him an edge. The danger from the Trump narrative is not that die-hards are still grumbling, it's that the candidate doesn't seem to care about anything beyond his own interests.

That’s not how I remember it. Gore whined incessantly about “hanging chads” until he was forced to step aside by the Supreme Court.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lliamander » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

pfisch wrote: post #27

cm2187 wrote: post #8

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To be fair they let Trump run with this stuff a long time. It was really only after he led an attempted insurrection based on these "claims" that they shut down his ability to keep spreading this stuff.

Whom among the capitol protestors is being charged with insurrection?

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by throw_nbvc1234 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:02 AM UTC

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

Just wait until GPT3 deep-fake audio. Closely followed by Deep-fake video. And algorithms will amplify this content to the echo chambers that "want" to hear it to increase ad revenue a few percentage points. All this will enter society at a time when trust in institutions is already low; you already hear some people predicting that there may not be an election with uncontested results (in the USA) ever again. If we solve/survive all those problems maybe there will be enough sense-making to actually tackle climate change come 2032. and maybe people will claim that the 20's were the true great filter of civilizations.

On the other hand, the world is probably the most united it's been in a while because of Russia so there's that.