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Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by andbberger »

caslon wrote: post #72
andbberger wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think that nuclear energy would be pretty compelling economically if other power generation methods had to be designed to withstand a strike from an airliner

If an unprotected solar farm gets hit by a plane, some property damage happens. If an unprotected nuclear reactor were to get hit, we all know what would happen.

the danger of radiation has been greatly exaggerated and pales in comparison the existential risk of climate change. even accounting for black swan events like getting hit by an airliner, coal plants emit drastically more radiation than nuclear.

it's not a rational risk assessment.

making nuclear energy economically unfeasible by mandating that things be drastically overbuilt has doomed us all to climate catastrophe

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by Trasmatta »

Some20s wrote: post #18

Interesting twitter space discussion goign on right now: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 speakers seem informed

This discussion has been very helpful for my understanding of the situation and has been reducing my anxiety, thank you.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by andbberger »

jessriedel wrote: post #89
andbberger wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A single nuke would be more like 100k deaths, still several orders of magnitude safer. But yes, the actual danger posed by radiation is far less than what it is imagined to be

Sure, but this is neither a nuclear weapon (it would be, at most, a radiological weapon) nor risk-similar to one.

OP argued this is risk-equivalent to nuclear war. it's not even close

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by tailspin2019 »

Some20s wrote: post #18

Interesting twitter space discussion goign on right now: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 speakers seem informed

Good discussion. Brings some clarity to this and so far it doesn’t sound quite as serious as you might be led to believe given the headlines.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by Zandikar »

ISL wrote: post #78
mrtksn wrote: post #6

It's not just on fire, it has been shelled by the Russian troops and there's a live feed where you can watch it as it happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8

You can see munitions impacts about 2 hr ago as well as somewhat later (will edit in a moment). Flares ~1:36 ago. These timestamps relative to ~1715 PST.

https://twitter.com/AlexandruC4/status/1499546302786510853 more recent firing, from about 15minutes ago as well.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

sterlind wrote: post #73
mensetmanusman wrote: post #35

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Most likely ignorance, seems like they have soldiers who still think they are on a training mission. Initiation of an actual radioactive disaster near your own border on purpose…

how could any of them possibly still think this is a training mission? they're in a different country shooting actual people and buildings, and actual people are shooting back at them.

Wow! These scenario role players are incredible. I'm getting so much training value! They fall down, cry, bleed out, and die just like somebody would in real life!

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by doener »

Firefighter have access now:

https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/1499555239351005194?s=21

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499555095817728023?s=21

"According to Andrey Tuz, spokesman of the press service of the nuclear power plant, there is no threat of radiation spread."

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by zeven7 »

rainworld wrote: post #46

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> Ukrainians who started firing at a Russian convoy with RPGs.

The way this is phrased makes it sound like the Russian convoy was minding its own business and suddenly Ukrainians started picking a fight -- which is clearly not the case.

Re: Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe's largest

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Post by pdpi »

nl wrote: post #66
shadowgovt wrote: post #22

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Probably not. Reactors generally can't melt down the way Chernobyl did anymore. The most significant risk is a breach of the reactor chamber fragmenting the fuel rofs and spreading radioactive particles around, or a hit to the spent fuel stores doing the same. Neither are good, but they wouldn't be nearly as bad as Chernobyl or a nuclear weapon strike.

> Reactors generally can't melt down the way Chernobyl did anymore. a) "the way Chernobyl did" is technically correct (the VVER reactor that Zaporizhzhia is uses a difference containment strategy), but a distinction without meaning - a meltdown is a meltdown. b) "anymore" - Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant was built between 1980 and 1996. It's true that it is a safer design than Chernobyl, but yes it absolutely can still m…

> Note that this "spreading radioactive particles around" is probably more dangerous to health than a meltdown.

Put in different terms: We're basically talking about the equivalent of a dirty bomb.

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