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Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

im3w1l wrote: post #21
Razengan wrote: post #4

How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?

I find it worrying. Even if Russia is in the wrong here, I do see an RT ban in particular as a dangerous move. Even in wartime I do think it's important to be willing to listen to the other side. They may be wrong about the big picture, but there could still be an interesting tidbit or two to takeaway. All this talk made be go check RT out and one thing I learned is that the flight ban has left Russian tourists stran…

You may read RT and see the other side of things, weight both sides, choose which is right, other people, will buy straight into it. I see a lot of people affected by russian propaganda in my country, they currupted the stupid people easily.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by proctrap »

gruez wrote: post #78
proctrap wrote: post #74

Why do people here cry for freedom of speech ? We've had fake information laws in about every state in the last years. And now that it's not only banning some youtube accounts about covid but also fake information of russia about the war they are waging (and people they kill), you're surprised ?!

1. many (most?) people here are American, which has very pro free speech laws 2. fake news sucks, but do you really want a government agency deciding what speech is approved or not?

You surely do have laws against incitement of the masses, don't you ?

One example: In Germany it's forbidden by law to deny the holocaust, use nazi symbols, greetings or other media from that era.

And some state sponsored TV telling your they're saving people or helping some states while raiding their homes, killing them and using thermobaric weapons is ok ? That this won't create an uproar among all families and relatives ?

You have at least laws against defamation and this is nothing else than lying and laughing into the face of people.

What you certainly do is restrict youtube channels of joe rogan, trump and facebook ads for elections. And nobody did sue for free speech or won a case. So the general direction is pretty clear.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by BeefWellington »

ganzuul wrote: post #45
Razengan wrote: post #4

How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?

I'm concerned about the EU, an economic union, thinking it has the authority to rule on this matter.

The EU is more than just an economic union and always has been.

It's also pretty clear that they do have the ability to shut out a company from doing business within their borders, so I'm unclear why media corporations should be getting a free pass compared with other industries.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by m000 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #10
Razengan wrote: post #4

How does this complete silencing of a country not disturb anybody?

How is this a "complete silencing of a country"? RT is a government propaganda outlet, not all Russian media, and not the Russian people.

I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine war.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

Razengan wrote: post #61
randomhodler84 wrote: post #11

Nah. But in all seriousness, this is totalitarian ruling. Wtf eu? RT might be a trash fire propaganda news but the EU ain’t at war with Russia. If the people want to listen to the propaganda, and I’m sure there were listener equivalents in neutral places either via SW or MW broadcast in ww2. Making it illegal to route packets to them and to circumvent the block? Garbage tier laws.

The West has always demonized Russia. “Communism” equals the original sin and “communists” is basically a slur for about a century now. After America worked so hard to unleash the most destructive weapon in human history, everyone should have cowed and crowned them the undisputed hegemons of the Earth. The idea of anyone daring to set themselves up as an antipode was extremely offensive. Even after the fall of the US…

I consider my self a "commie", but I find Russia's government's behaviour repugnant.

It has nothing to with the average Russian, but everything to do with the Government, the dictator, and those who willingly support them.

That isn't to say the west hasn't done anything wrong. But by my account, we can pin the following on Russia:

- Installing puppets in foreign governments

  - Schroeder

  - Trump / GOP

  - Pushing for Brexit
- Supporting conspiracy groups that lead to an insurrection that threatened the semblance of democracy that the US had

- Sent children to war

- Committed 11 distinct war crimes in just 8 days, including shooting civies and children that were fleeing, hospitals, and wearing UN and Ua colours.

Russia isn't the problem, the problem is the person at the driver seat that is actively threatening a nuclear holocaust.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by sudosysgen »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #63
orangepurple wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, absolutely nothing of note happened in the middle east 2001-2020 /s

TIL Middle east is part of the Western world

The Western world and the Middle East were both at war.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by BeefWellington »

proctrap wrote: post #92
gruez wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. many (most?) people here are American, which has very pro free speech laws 2. fake news sucks, but do you really want a government agency deciding what speech is approved or not?

You surely do have laws against incitement of the masses, don't you ? One example: In Germany it's forbidden by law to deny the holocaust, use nazi symbols, greetings or other media from that era. And some state sponsored TV telling your they're saving people or helping some states while raiding their homes, killing them and using thermobaric weapons is ok ? That this won't create an uproar among all families and rel…

While I'm often one to point out the flaws in "ultimate freedom of speech" that many people parrot here, there is a tangible difference between being politically and philosophically pro-free speech and the way the laws are written.

You can simultaneously believe that free speech is important but that you shouldn't be able to just print lie after lie after lie about a person without repercussion.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by szszrk »

dang wrote: post #87
szszrk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

You can't do this here, regardless of how wrong (or inconsistent) someone is or you feel they are. We ban accounts that post that way, so please don't. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Yeah, you are likely right. I take it very personal, as it touches current events in a way that Russian propaganda does for years on our local sites. This behavior was insanely intensified in last few days.

Re: Does the EU's ban on RT also ban Tor?

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Post by sudosysgen »

tgv wrote: post #84
nbzso wrote: post #50

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> Do your research Ukranians are not nazis. There.

If we want to be charitable, they are not referring to Ukraine at large but to groups like Azov, Right Sector, C14, etc..., That are indeed Nazis and that have been armed and trained by Western forces in full understanding of who they were and enthusiastically.
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