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Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

#91
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's expected though? Not that i'm defending mistreatment, but i work with a small team of all remote and we have a few Russian devs. If they go absent for a while due to all this issue, we're not going to fire them or be angry.. but we still need to try and keep the company afloat, no? Like forget bottom lines and corporate greed for a second. My company is small and if we don't hit an upcoming deadline, we're lay…

What kind of company is it? • A startup can crash • A fee for service company focusing on dev will probably crash • An established company where development is just done for internal things. Can they pause feature requests and focus on maintenance for a bit? I'm not saying it may not come to having to hire people and talks need to start, but did they even think about the devs? What have they been doing in regards to…

> What kind of company is it?

A contract company with customers. The company would likely "be fine", but 5 years ago it was ~6 people. We've pushed for some larger clients recently, which allows us to employ ~50 people. If rolling out to the larger clients fails, that income source dries up and we go back down to ~10 people or w/e. With a sizable failure on our track record, which will be a bit difficult too.

> IMO, it's just the way it's being handled. They have their people fighting for their lives. Here's what looks like a manager or lead not being able to work with all the stress around it. And all that upper management sees is, fill in the chair.

So in our case i imagine we'd attempt to fill in a chair. I'd advocate for it. But again, i want to keep the rest of the staff employed and fed, myself included. However i would _definitely not_ expect to see those employees let go. I'd raise hell and question my employment if they were treated that way. Just filled in while they're gone, hopefully still paying them as long as we can (which probably wouldn't exceed 6 months i'd guess).

Which is partly why these conversations can be difficult for me. My #1 concern is keeping everyone employed, including the people having a tough time. Which can often mean keeping my head focused on income.

As much as i love WorkReform and worker focused rights, i often feel these conversations are adversarial and don't seem to consider what will happen when the company goes under. But they're also framed against massive corps, like Starbucks or w/e, and the reality is much different for them than it is my company.

Talking about my company in the WorkReform context is really odd these days.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

#92

Is this staged? The pinging account was created seconds before the comment was posted and seconds later the developer replies. The developer who is of course defending against a real life invasion of his home country.

Posting account is suspicious as it was created at the time of the comment for the comment and the username has no other trace on the internet. Very suspect, impossible to prove of course though. I'm getting 6 minutes between comment and reply though, not seconds, and unless the developer was actively fighting they'd still be getting email notifications to their phone but unlikely to be at sitting at home patching Vu…

The 6 minutes makes perfect sense to me - it could be one of those "If I don't reply to this ASAP I will never have time" situations. The notification is right in front of you.

I don't think it's fair to assume any malicious intent here. What would the maintainer gain? People are already extremely aware of the situation. It's not a huge repo, there's no ask for financial donations or anything like that.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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BTW: Can a NATO country shoot a target at territory of Ukraine over the border, like Russia and Belarus do?

This is generally regarded as a bad idea. It's hard to see where that stops without a nuclear war.

Turkish army shot Russian plane with no consequences.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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BTW: Can a NATO country shoot a target at territory of Ukraine over the border, like Russia and Belarus do?

Sure they can. If they declare war and officially enter the conflict. That wouldn't be a NATO action though, it's a defensive pact. And it won't happen. Although... the last few days have shown extraordinary events that I never expected. The EU approving 500 Million for weapon purchases for Ukraine, countries supplying fighters after two days delay, officiaks saying that their are fine with their citizens volunteerin…

Why they must declare a war, while Russia and Belarus doesn't? Is there a special international law just for NATO?

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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BTW: Can a NATO country shoot a target at territory of Ukraine over the border, like Russia and Belarus do?

This is involving NATO in the war and is casus belli. Don't do that.

Turkey already did that. Also, you miss Vietnam, Korea, and other wars, where USA was at war with USSR forces.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right in theory. In reality, though, allowing citizens to call him President Putain is a casus belli, as far as Russia is concerned, so I'm not sure what actual difference it makes. For the record, Russia also said sanctions would be considered an act of war. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Russia says a lot, I wouldn't believe all of it to be either honest or true. That aside Russia coming up with it's own reasons for engaging in war with a country is different than Russia having internationally recognized reasons for engaging in war with a country.

> That aside Russia coming up with it's own reasons for engaging in war with a country is different than Russia having internationally recognized reasons for engaging in war with a country.

Can you explain? Is there another internationality, except UN, which has authority to allow wars?

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

#97
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As if the pointless prodding of “any updates? :)” is ever called for. If there were any updates, there would be fucking updates posted. I frequently get comments like this in projects they I maintain, sometimes less than a day after the issue was opened, and it does nothing but annoy me and make me not want to resolve their issue. Why is there an expectation that maintainers have infinite amounts of time to fix whate…

FWIW, I delete those comments. More than one posted results in the issue being locked (possibly temporarily). I'm willing to be a jerk so that my fellow maintainers can focus on the work they want to work on.

Anyone who asks for an update can produce one themselves: by creating a PR :)

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

#98
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My entire team of software engineers are Ukranian, residing in Ukraine (I'm not in Ukraine, nor am I Ukrainian). For the past few weeks our "water cooler talk" has been almost exclusively about the rising threat of invasion, if not directly about the ongoing conflict in the SE of Ukraine. A number of the team signed up for the volunteer defence force and have spent countless weekends training with the army. The morni…

You shouldn't read your employer's actions as uncaring. Ultimately it depends on where they are getting their money from. If that dries up, then there is no team anyway. I completely see your point, but I also see the difficulty your employer has. They can't just wait for the war to finish before getting their business going again.

I had a similar experience when I was interviewing for a company and got down with fever and intense coughing, with the HR guy saying "so you cannot attend the interview". Sure, lemme just drive by your company in a woozy state and answer every technical question while getting interrupted by a tingling sensation in my right lung that causes coughing every 10-15 seconds like a germ machine gun.

After explaining to them my situation (which was audibly bad even through phone) I asked them to postpone for next week. They hired someone else. Turns out there is such a thing as uncaring people who just see you as a cog that facilitates their money-printing company. It is what it is.

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

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As if the pointless prodding of “any updates? :)” is ever called for. If there were any updates, there would be fucking updates posted. I frequently get comments like this in projects they I maintain, sometimes less than a day after the issue was opened, and it does nothing but annoy me and make me not want to resolve their issue. Why is there an expectation that maintainers have infinite amounts of time to fix whate…

I agree that it's unnecessary and annoying, but it's not always useless. Some maintainers sometimes work on issues for months on end without posting any updates because they'd rather focus on the work itself, and "any updates?" comments may prompt them to talk about the progress so far. Ideally contributors would be able to opt into automatically blocking some kinds of comments, but of course that would require a per…

It's entirely useless. Anyone who asks for an update can see it plainly on the repository. There will either be commits against the default branch, an open PR, or a branch with in-progress work.

In any other case (unclosed issue, missing changelog) the solution is to step up and help. Mention that you've replicated the issue, found the solution is up, and that the issue can be closed. Or contribute a changelog

Re: “O, so sorry. I need more time. my country defending Russian invasion”

#100
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of company is it? • A startup can crash • A fee for service company focusing on dev will probably crash • An established company where development is just done for internal things. Can they pause feature requests and focus on maintenance for a bit? I'm not saying it may not come to having to hire people and talks need to start, but did they even think about the devs? What have they been doing in regards to…

> What kind of company is it? A contract company with customers. The company would likely "be fine", but 5 years ago it was ~6 people. We've pushed for some larger clients recently, which allows us to employ ~50 people. If rolling out to the larger clients fails, that income source dries up and we go back down to ~10 people or w/e. With a sizable failure on our track record, which will be a bit difficult too. > IMO,…

Is there anything on the company benefits or laws regarding active military or reserve members?

Regardless, it might be good to bring it up if the company ever plans to contract people again from Ukraine. Looks like you've found great developers there now and in the past, so it would suck to get blacklisted by devs there due to something like this.

Maybe it's possible to keep them employed and just contract out a company for devs in the meantime? Just something that can be renewed as needed but that would also leave your devs with a place to come back to after.

Good luck with everything. Good luck to your friends and coworkers fighting for their homes and livelihood.

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