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The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by cgriswald »

ceejayoz wrote: post #81
cgriswald wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The grandparent poster seems to be commenting about relative risk rather than personal expertise. You may not make a good elementary school teacher or administrator, but it would make sense for you to have an opinion on how the school manages traffic. Certainly you wouldn't value my opinion since I don't live by the school and even if I had expertise in school traffic management I might not have your interests in min…

> it would make sense for you to have an opinion on how the school manages traffic No, we have traffic engineers for that. Decisions should be made based off expertise, not proximity.

Indeed. Why even have voters?

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by mabbo »

dragonsky67 wrote: post #66
mabbo wrote: post #39

The reason we have such terrible fires now is that we keep putting out fires when they're small. Nature builds up too much burnable matter over time. Small fires would burn it in small, localized areas. But if the small fires don't happen then we get the massive fires that destroy towns, cities, and cost lives. I am not impressed by a new way to put out small fires, because that just ensures bigger fires in the long…

One of the biggest problems with managing bushfire in Australia is having the fire "jump the line". Where embers fly ahead of the main fire, starting spot fires that unless dealt with just extend the reach of the fire. Currently a lot of spot fire management is attempted using helicopters with water buckets, but this is both expensive and bloody dangerous. Being able to use semi disposable drones could assist dramati…

Wow, that's a really great point. If we have these sorts of drones helping to contain and manage the allowed fires, in an automated fashion, we can reduce the effort needed to do so, or perhaps even control larger fires.

Maybe I was too pessimistic.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

RC_ITR wrote: post #67
lnwlebjel wrote: post #41

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Alternatively, this allows you to burn when you want to, such as when conditions are favorable to maintain control of the fire. You're correct that preventing large fires is important - control burns must be part of the solution.

Yeah, we should definitely put out small fires in August and let (or force) bigger ones to burn in March. Wild how little critical thinking gets put behind these meme ideas like 'historic forest management is the only problem and we should let everything burn'.

Instead of snark I'd suggest doing some research. The science on this has been solid for about 50 years now. The political will is the problem.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by c_o_n_v_e_x »

dragonsky67 wrote: post #66
mabbo wrote: post #39

The reason we have such terrible fires now is that we keep putting out fires when they're small. Nature builds up too much burnable matter over time. Small fires would burn it in small, localized areas. But if the small fires don't happen then we get the massive fires that destroy towns, cities, and cost lives. I am not impressed by a new way to put out small fires, because that just ensures bigger fires in the long…

One of the biggest problems with managing bushfire in Australia is having the fire "jump the line". Where embers fly ahead of the main fire, starting spot fires that unless dealt with just extend the reach of the fire. Currently a lot of spot fire management is attempted using helicopters with water buckets, but this is both expensive and bloody dangerous. Being able to use semi disposable drones could assist dramati…

The tech already exists, however the regulatory environment is not there (yet) for wide-spread automated beyond visual line of sight (BVLOS) operations.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by fennecfoxen »

cgriswald wrote: post #91
ceejayoz wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it would make sense for you to have an opinion on how the school manages traffic No, we have traffic engineers for that. Decisions should be made based off expertise, not proximity.

Indeed. Why even have voters?

To have some accountability for people who are supposed to make tough decisions and resolve tradeoffs in some responsible way.

Notably this isn’t a direct democracy, where direct democrats have an unfortunate tendency to demand freedom from the consequences of the policies they themselves enact, and ask for the irreconcilable.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by desmond373 »

Teever wrote: post #69
ceejayoz wrote: post #43

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Living near something doesn't make one an expert in that thing. I live near a school, but I'm still fairly worthless as an elementary school teacher or administrator. The actual experts agree with the parent poster. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/06/how-fore... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/decades-mismanagement-l... https://www.propublica.org/article/they-know-how-to-prevent-... https://www.…

I live in a location that is more or less impervious to the effects of climate change and rising sea levels but I still support the development of technology like dams that will save lives in the face of rising sea levels. This is no different

It is different. Its a solution to a symptom that will make the problem worse. This tech could be used to control small fires and direct them away from populated areas, but that's not how it's being sold. The saving grace for the company could be them educating customers on effective use to prevent large scale fires, but I'm unsure if they do such a thing.

Re: The Rain System “contains wildfires within 10 minutes of ignition”

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Post by 8note »

space_fountain wrote: post #64
CrazyStat wrote: post #56

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> Maybe we can't ever stop them from happening in the first place perhaps it's more flatten the curve We've been trying to "flatten the curve" for the past century. Turns out that was a bad idea. The only way too get back to a healthy ecosystem at this point is to allow a hundred years of excess built up fuel to burn. California had artificially pleasant (i.e mostly wildfire-free) summers for many years. The next few…

Isn't this a very norm biased idea. I think geo engineering gets too much of a bad rap. It's powerful and thus massive mistakes have and will be made, but we're only going to get better at it. Why resign ourselves. Would logging at sufficient amounts help, could we better smooth the release of water and fix this? I sort of hate the modern environmentalisms insistence that we should just throw up our hands and anythin…

Just log out the whole forest you say? Removing the forest has the same problem as doing nothing about the fires. People want to have houses in the forest
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