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Yes, in general "free speech" platforms seem to quickly turn into Alt-Right platforms that are, ironically, heavily moderated. (Looking at you, Voat)
Isn’t this just more evidence that leftism/liberalism require censorship to exist, as they cannot survive in a free market of ideas?
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Do you seek the truth unconditionally, or only truth that fits within your pre-conceived notions of acceptability? Can you imagine a society where an objective truth was unacceptable, and denial of that truth was harmful to themselves or others?
To be frank, often when I see this glossy pamphlet cover for free speech, you open up the pamphlet and see a bunch of child porn, antisemitism and/or racism. The issue with free speech platforms is they attract a crowd of people whose only narrative is one that can't be said in other places. It isn't a narrative of truth, it is one of hate and bigotry. I've seen few examples where objective truth is banned. I have, h…
I’ve seen this again and again, people will see an ocean of normal content anywhere free speech is allowed and laser-focus on the single floating turd.
They’ll then mischaracterize the entire ocean as the turd, it’s like they have no sense of proportionality.
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Yes, in general "free speech" platforms seem to quickly turn into Alt-Right platforms that are, ironically, heavily moderated. (Looking at you, Voat)
I've said this before, but it's particularly notable how free speech Reddit alternatives very quickly end up taking a far-right tone. What's really funny is how all discussions they host have to be approached from that angle. So you can't just talk about your favorite TV show. You have to first make a nod to how it features a Jewish conspiracy to push black-white interracial relationships. Only then can you go on to…
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I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another. Say Joe Rogan's issue may not have been allowed on HN if it wasn't for Spotify. And more broadly speaking, what are the roles of technology in an extremely political sensitive climate. Should Telegram do A or B, and what about Whatsapp, Facebook moderation, Apple App Store disallow certain group, is that a curation problem or a political problem…
> I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another. I feel that, if this is the reasoning it's becoming more prevalent, then it should be reeled in a bit. Politically charged topics seem to rarely bring in good-faith discussion I have come to expect from HN.
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Without getting into the details of each particular submission I’m curious if you think the submission standards have remained consistent throughout the years or if your curation philosophy has changed at all and if so, in what ways? There was a change a while back that made the front page less volatile, around that time you started seeing stories merged more often, and traditional news creeping in a bit more. I thin…
I've noticed that same increase in Reddit-style one-liner jokes and references here too. Not enough to become a problem yet, but just enough to worry about setting precedent for more. One good one-liner in a thread can be alright, but it tends to attract a train of similar low-content responses. I hadn't connected that to a pandemic-induced demand increase, but that could well be true. As for submissions (rather than…
I think the guidelines might be right, in that this hasn't really seemed to change in the ~10 years I've been here.
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Stop making insubstantial one-line comments, please.
My "insubstantial" one-line comments are often more valuable to readers of HN than pagelong of pseudointellectual debate (I watch my upvotes carefully. Which reminds me: is there a tool to track votes and comments on my comments?)
Dead simple. Somehow it’s also emailed me minutes before the reply became visible on HN. I later realized that the user probably had a “delay” set in their profile, but HN likely publishes the comment to the API even if it remains hidden on the site for a few minutes. So it was funny to see a secret way to bypass the delay feature.
Upvotes are a terrible proxy for value, by the way. One wouldn’t say that a Reddit comment was valuable just because it was popular. The same standard seems true on HN — particularly for fluff, which tend to be upvote magnets.
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I think it's quite different now, the gap between HN and lobste.rs content is growing wider and wider, lobste.rs to me represents more closely what "old" HN was like
I'm still annoyed I couldn't find someone I knew to give me an invite to lobste.rs 9 years ago. I remember asking former coworkers, and people at local tech meetups, and getting blank stares like I was making something up. Though I suppose that is how they managed to keep things under control
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To be frank, often when I see this glossy pamphlet cover for free speech, you open up the pamphlet and see a bunch of child porn, antisemitism and/or racism. The issue with free speech platforms is they attract a crowd of people whose only narrative is one that can't be said in other places. It isn't a narrative of truth, it is one of hate and bigotry. I've seen few examples where objective truth is banned. I have, h…
That’s just a flaw in your brain’s logical processing. I’ve seen this again and again, people will see an ocean of normal content anywhere free speech is allowed and laser-focus on the single floating turd. They’ll then mischaracterize the entire ocean as the turd, it’s like they have no sense of proportionality.
I'm happy to be shown to be wrong, but from my experience what you are saying doesn't exist.
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As someone that's been here since the very beginning I think that tech has begun to be responsible for a larger portion of the world as a whole and this community has moved a small amount towards that direction as a result. As one of the people who thinks that more (too much more) political content has crept in here, I will say that I agree with you on the above. That is, I agree that it is becoming harder (albeit no…
I personally don't mind (and, in fact, encourage with my upvote) political discussion when relevant because I believe the attempt to pretend technology is divorced from the social dimensions of its use is a dangerous philosophy. History (particularly twentieth-century history) is caked in the blood of people killed by technologies that were originally conceived of by people pursuing what they thought was innocent (or…
I don't disagree. And if somebody started a forum dedicated to "the social implications of technology" I'd probably join and participate (some). But TBH, when I come to HN, I'm more interested in "Check out this cool new Erlang library" or "Why Go should or should not have generics", or "1001 Neat Regex Tricks" and such-like, than the more political stuff.
Maybe, for me, that's a reaction to the amount of time I spend on politics in the rest of my life. I'm politically active enough to the point that I've run for public office before, and spend a not small amount of time discussing public policy in other forums. So I guess I would prefer to find HN a bit of a refuge from that stuff. Of course I understand that other people have a different experience and will therefore feel differently about the "correct" amount of politics on HN.
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> I "think", most of those debate ties with technology one way or another. I feel that, if this is the reasoning it's becoming more prevalent, then it should be reeled in a bit. Politically charged topics seem to rarely bring in good-faith discussion I have come to expect from HN.
They are easy to avoid howerver. Not participating in them and upvoting other contents solve the issue at least for yourself.