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Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

tyleo wrote: post #39

I’m not in Ottowa and I feel like I’m not sure what to believe here. On one hand, if the protests really were peaceful, I do not believe the government should shut them down. On the other hand, I’ve heard the protests have caused millions in trade to be shut down which I would not consider a peaceful act. If some non-citizen entity shut down millions in trade, I don’t think it would be viewed as peaceful. Should the…

Over a quarter of trade between the US and Canada goes between Detroit and Windsor, so the scale hasn't been overblown but there's a question as to why is blocking trade off the table? Seems like another case of things being ok if they impact humans but as soon as corporations are inconvenienced, the gloves have to come off and the humans treated as terrorists. If the humans would go back to their gated free speech zones, then everything would be good?

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by Jackim »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #74
Jackim wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Ottawa and I assure you that this protest is not peaceful. I've had friends physically assaulted, spit on, and yelled at just for wearing a mask into a business. Not to mention the constant honking that was reaching levels above 100db inside people's homes. Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes.

The problem for your narrative is that there are dozens of livestreamers showing the exact opposite of what you claim. Unless YouTube shuts them down, you cannot control the narrative no matter what story you spin. It's a new age, stop playing cards from an old one if you want to be believed.

I understand that many, many people are having fun, being kind, and are generally enjoying the party atmosphere. That does not discount the fact that people are being intimidated, put out of work, and assaulted every day since this has begun.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by amscanne »

> We’re not suspending the fundamental rights or overriding the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, we are not limiting people’s freedom of speech, we are not limiting freedom of peaceful assembly (or) preventing people from exercising their right to protest legally

Pretending to express concern about charter rights with respect to towing some trucks away is quite the theatre.

Meanwhile, Canada spent the last two years stomping on charter rights: mobility (provincial borders closed, unjustified quarantine requirements even for vaccinated Canadians), free expression (court orders to silence anti-vaxxers), and free assembly (unvaccinated in Quebec are unable to attend weddings, funerals, religious services or pretty much anything with over 25 people) to name a few. Ironically, a lot of these are the things that actually caused the protests.

It’s been disappointing to see judges go along with it all (Canada has a big opt-out for charter rights, in that “reasonable limits” are allowed if they can be “demonstrably justified”), but quite ridiculous to see that statement in this context.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #60
barbazoo wrote: post #15

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What should be done differently? In Alberta restrictions have been lifted but the occupation of the border still hasn't ended.

Alberta hasn’t fully lifted the restrictions, nor has Kenney taken the option of reinstating the restrictions off the table.

Firstly, he has a timeline for removing most restrictions, so there should be progress there, and secondly, why should he have to promise that? In case conditions change, say a much more deadly form of COVID, those restrictions may be needed. That demand seems unreasonable.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by joshlemer »

ameminator wrote: post #57
joshlemer wrote: post #26

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Protesters are still allowed to protest peacefully, they just aren't allowed to occupy the area around parliament and shut down border crossings for weeks, and intimidate and enact violence against the citizens of Ottawa. Nobody is stopping anyone from peacefully protesting in Canada, give your head a shake.

But it seems that every time the "unpermitted location" changes with every protest! In this case, it's "the area around parliament" and "border crossings" - in Quebec it was "this particular road" or "these schools" during their "Red Square" tuition protests. In my opinion, Parliament is almost always a valid place to protest - outside a politician's or ordinary person's private home, much less so. By invoking these…

If the protesters weren't blocking infrastructure with trucks, and were just gathering on parliament hill, it would be a different story.

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Post by dang »

tedajax wrote: post #35
ameminator wrote: post #12

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

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Post by nyokodo »

ameminator wrote: post #12

Shameful that a peaceful protest is met with this response. How can a person protest meaningfully if any peaceful protest can be called illegal? I do understand that the truckers were disturbing the peace of ordinary people - I think this should be discouraged. However there must be a way to peacefully assemble without the government's approval. I don't see how we can have meaningful civil discourse if you need permi…

> if you need permission to protest at all.

This isn't about protesting "at all" it's about protesting in a way that stings the government. You can protest in a legal way but then you're dismissed. The Truckers are protesting in a way that can't be dismissed. They've chosen to risk serious consequences because to them the status quo is worse. Protests like this are a sign of a failure of leadership and representation.

Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by dang »

Jackim wrote: post #45
busymom0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I along with my friends (who are vaxxed but only did so because their work coerced them) have been at the protest in Ottawa for 3 weekends. It's always been peaceful, friendly and almost like Canada day celebrations. It was loud the first week due to honking but even that's stopped. And even if there were honking, that's not violence. I am brown and my buddy is black and neither of us met with anything other than fri…

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Re: Trudeau Invokes Emergencies Act

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Post by tptacek »

tomohawk wrote: post #73
dblohm7 wrote: post #56

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There have been multiple incidents of protesters using large vehicles to smash through police barricades. What do you call that?

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Not political violence, per the point being made upthread. Seems unproductive to litigate beyond that distinction.
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