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15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by hughrr »

baybal2 wrote: post #75
DarknessFalls wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of where the news was reported in the original post, the only thing of importance is whether or not it's true. Did you check some of the original sources? https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/extreme-suffering-15-23-... https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/elon-musks-neuralink-allegedly... This is worth looking into. First, it's using Tesla drivers as guinea pigs for automation. Then some strange experiments with…

You know that Musk Elon has a mental condition?

Narcissistic egomania?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by berndi »

aemreunal wrote: post #12

If you'd like to remind yourself of the original demonstration video of a monkey with Neuralink, playing a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXrGH52aoM

We've been able to get a one- or two-dimensional control signal from average brain activity for a long time. This is infinitely more simple than actual "mind-reading" and "mind-writing" which, as any neuroscientist will tell you, we don't have clue how to do.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by gherkinnn »

inglor_cz wrote: post #68
gherkinnn wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to 2018, Tesla trucks should be in production last year. He’s a well of stupid ideas and false promises. Trucks, Cybertrucks, FSD, robots, tunnels, going to Mars in 2025, using Dogecoin for interstellar purchases, uploading our brains and sending that in to space. The list is endless.

This discussion sounds a lot like Reddit. Haters vs. fanboys. A lot of Musk's business proposals or projects either didn't work or didn't keep to the promised timeline. Some of them did pan out, though. The US now relies on Falcon 9 to get astronauts to space and back. The list of human-rated launch vehicles since Gagarin is pretty short, the very opposite of endless. And people were scoffing at the idea of usefulnes…

Yes. Falcon is nice. And it is admirable how Tesla made electric cars palatable. Remember the Prius?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ericd »

arcticbull wrote: post #10
patrec wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we had more people who under-deliver the way Elon Musk does.

So far he's... - planning to dig tiny tunnels with no ventilation or emergency egress for cars instead of, you know, trains [1] - [edit](as if the only reason we have traffic is because lanes are uncovered? maybe just put a roof over the highway as a beta test?) - he's walked back the whole hyperloop thing almost entirely [2] - some electric cars where he tried to overthrow the government of Bolivia to source lithium…

Can you tldr #6? Because readability very clearly makes things cheaper for SpaceX (they pass only a small fraction on to the customer, because I don’t think customers have any other alternative at that price point anyway, but for things like Starlink launches, it’s a huge help to them).

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by GlennS »

radu_floricica wrote: post #74

Even assuming what they're reporting is true (which having read IIAOPSW's comment above now seems rather unlikely) I don't see the situation as terrible. "15 of 23 monkeys died" is in itself meaningless. We don't know how long they intended to keep them alive anyways - a reasonable protocol in this kind of studies is "have procedure, observe for X weeks, then have an autopsy to take a closer look at what actually hap…

> They're also using monkeys - which yes, look cute, but are not primates.

Monkeys are primates.

Perhaps you mean they're not apes?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by diamondo25 »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #72

A fitting quote: "The error in depicting critics of animal experiments as anti-science becomes clear when one begins to question the extent to which the purported scientific aims of these experiments are actually accomplished. For then it turns out that the experiments and not their critics are unscientific. Those experiments that cannot be justified on scientific grounds can be no more justified than the frivolous k…

Cannot be justified on scientific grounds? Surely they arent running this like what certain countries did in wars?

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by ashwagary »

ericd wrote: post #82
arcticbull wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He made some electric cars. They're pretty cool when they're not trying to murder. And some low-orbit satellite internet that should help connect some remote areas. The successes are genuinely massively overstated. He's a marketer, and a good one. A P.T. Barnum type.

“Some” electric cars? They made roughly 1 million of them this past year, 80% more than the previous year.

Wasn't most of the hard work done by the two actual founders of Tesla?

They achieved something almost equivalent to the modern day Tesla before Elon contributed anything (funding excluded).

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by austinjp »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #48
sdoering wrote: post #24

I can't even imagine how these experiments are passing an ethics committee. I had never heard of this experiment before, but this report is one of these moments, that make me question, if we took the wrong branch of reality. A billionaire torturing animals for a self gain goal disguised as scientific research sounds like a plot from a James Bond movie of my childhood. I just can't wrap my head around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochlear_implant Has been around for half a century Move on

That seems like an odd comparison. And anyway, cochlear implants were developed with human volunteers in the 60s and 70s. Some modern cochlear implant experiments use animals that have been deliberately deafened, and this most certainly raises ethical concerns.

The words "move on" are particularly odd. What do you mean? Should we never look back at what we've already done, and work out how to do it better? That really doesn't feel like progress or to me.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by sschueller »

cloutchaser wrote: post #62
IIAOPSW wrote: post #18

The article felt a bit flat. Surely there's no such thing as "oops, monkey died, let me just grab the next one off the shelf". There's no real reporting into the why or how, just uncritical repeating of the complaint that the neuralink research is dangerous / unethical. The reporting is so flimsy that one starts to look at the page and ask "wait, what site am I on anyway?" Hmm, I wonder what sort of bias a site calle…

2 days ago Tesla Fremont was sued for being a racially segregated workplace. Like really, in 2022, in California. On very dubious grounds based on teslas blog post reply. These are opening shots in the musk vs woke war. We can’t have him standing up to warren and sanders, posting red pill memes and selfies with Jordan Peterson… Well good luck. I look forward to musk fighting them. He’s not your average corporate CEO…

Elon created his own little apartheid state, his dad must be proud.

Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died

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Post by jeffparsons »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #72

A fitting quote: "The error in depicting critics of animal experiments as anti-science becomes clear when one begins to question the extent to which the purported scientific aims of these experiments are actually accomplished. For then it turns out that the experiments and not their critics are unscientific. Those experiments that cannot be justified on scientific grounds can be no more justified than the frivolous k…

One of their nearest-term practical goals is to find a way to help paralyzed people to move again. Figuring out how to take people from quadriplegic to walking around seems like worthwhile science to me.

> [...] no more justified than the frivolous killing and torturing of animals.

Maybe Neuralink is doing something unethical. But this kind of rant makes the whole accusation way too easy to dismiss as the work of a crackpot. People that do stumble upon something unethical and feel the need to blow the whistle should probably keep that in mind and focus on the facts if they want to be taken seriously.

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