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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by jamil7 »

makerofthings wrote: post #77
drcongo wrote: post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I think this is great, too. I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built would just go buy an Android phone and leave it alone. If you don’t like the AppStore, don’t buy an iPhone.

> I just wish all the folk on hackernews that want to trash what apple have built

It wasn't just Apple though, the value of their platforms is greatly reduced without the work of third-party developers (probably many of whom are on HN) that build software for them.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by coder543 »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

So devs should be able to bypass desired features of iOS and not alert the user that they're doing so? Becuase if I wasnt informed, and they took a subscription that I was then unable to cancel in 1 click from my iCloud subscription settings, I would be very annoyed. Shady.

At the point where you start typing in your payment information from scratch, you should have a pretty good idea that you're not in kansas anymore. Apple IAPs don't require you to enter your payment information again and again.

So, you are definitely informed one way or another, but requiring the developer to be more explicit about that would probably be good, but achieving that benefit doesn't require Apple to do... whatever this is that they're trying to force developers to do. It's a farcically extreme version of what could otherwise be interpreted to be a consumer friendly requirement.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

Isinlor wrote: post #70
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

EU is specifically drafting legislation for gatekeepers in Digital Markets Law. TL;DR Apple and Google will have to allow to install third-party app stores trough their stores. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=COM%3A20... Gatekeepers like Apple will have specific obligation according to Article 5: (b) allow business users to offer the same products or services to end users through third party onlin…

Will these laws also apply to game consoles? Set top boxes?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by MBCook »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #46

Modal before the Modal: “we are about to display a message required by Apple. We use a non-Apple payment provider that is also private and secure. Please tap Proceed to continue”

That would never pass app review.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by jimbob45 »

drcongo wrote: post #6

I'm sure I'm in a minority here, but I think this is good . As a consumer, I want to be warned if there's something that's going to deviate from my system's norms, especially if it could take money from me.

I think most of us agree, we’re just a bit miffed by the unnecessarily incendiary language.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #26
sschueller wrote: post #4

It's really time to do what needs to be done. I want the EU to force Apple and Google to allow 3rd party app stores with the exact same rights as theirs (auto updated etc.). Just like back in the day when Microsoft was forced to let users allow other browser when it wasn't even being blocked. Just theirs was pre-installed! The security excuse doesn't cut it, sorry. 3rd party app stores can be just as secure if not ev…

Why don't we buy their security concern? We then declare the App Store a utility and divorce it from Apple entirely. Pay Apple off and have it run as a non-profit supported by a minimal tax from Apple and developers.

Yes because government being in charge of technology could never go wrong.

You really don’t see the harm in government controlling distribution?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by coder543 »

Grustaf wrote: post #69
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I buy an iPhone, I buy an iPhone using a third party payment provider. Apple do not smirk and infer that those payments are made through a provider they don't control. They take my money. They aren't just being "very clear", they are thumbing their nose at the regulator, and joyfully pissing in customer and developer chips as they do so. They are trolling the process. That is very clear.

Perhaps the 27% is a troll, but the warning screen is 100% in line with how they always do things. Just like when you run an executable on your mac that you downloaded from the internet, they warn you and ask you if you really want to open it. That's not about money, it's about making it clear to users what they are about to do, so they don't have a bad experience and are put off Apple products.

> That's not about money

[citation needed]

It can be about more than one thing at the same time, but it certainly seems likely to be about the money. Apple wants people to use the App Store on their Mac more.

Those apps can be malicious too[0], but you don't see Apple warning you before you download or open them.

[0]: one of the first links on google, but this is not an isolated incident: https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/09/07/more-malicious-ap...

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by breakfastduck »

lozenge wrote: post #85
breakfastduck wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So devs should be able to bypass desired features of iOS and not alert the user that they're doing so? Becuase if I wasnt informed, and they took a subscription that I was then unable to cancel in 1 click from my iCloud subscription settings, I would be very annoyed. Shady.

They could add an API where the app registers a subscription (or link) into the iCloud subscription settings page, they just don't want to.

I mean the developers are clearly trying to avoid this (among other things) so I can't imagine there's much point.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by yorwba »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #29
causi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then use the common threshold. I'm sure Epic would happy to keep a version of their games on the App Store with all prices inflated by thirty percent.

Their saga with the Play Store shows that that isn’t the case.[0] Once you allow third parties to use different stores, and those stores aren’t as restrictive, you bet businesses are gonna move there. The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice. See also: the whole Steam vs Epic issue on Windows. Should Apple open their store? Sure. But it’s not as cut and dry as people m…

> The whole “if you like the App Store, just don’t use the others” doesn’t work in practice.

Why not? Isn't that the status quo? If you like the App Store, you buy an iPhone and don't use any of the others. If you like F-Droid, you get an Android phone, put LineageOS on it and don't use any of the others. Or if you like multiple Android stores, you can do that too.

Allowing multiple stores on Apple devices just reduces the cost relative to the "buy a new phone" solution.

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