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Unlearning perfectionism

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Re: Unlearning perfectionism

#91
Two major problems that I haven't seen described in terms of perfectionism anywhere, but should fit the pattern precisely are incels and hoarders.

Incels want their life to read like the perfect romance novel, and hoarders want to achieve the perfect utilisation of resources.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Everyone's experience is different, so it is unsurprising that are parts of this article that resonate very strongly and other parts not at all — overall, very valuable to have read this. The philosopher John Perry has a humorous essay called "Procrastination and Perfectionism" that gets to the heart of the matter in a different way: > Many procrastinators do not realize that they are perfectionists, for the simple r…

Interesting that the behavior Perry describes is now being called “maladaptive daydreaming”. It’s not in the DSM yet, but it probably should be. It’s highly comorbid with obsessive compulsive disorders, which is also associated with perfectionism.

"Comorbid" implies that it's lethal, doesn't it? Wouldn't "correlated" be better here?

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

#94

Mental health issues too often remain untreated among high-achievers who are able to maintain a surface appearance of holding it together. It's a good trend that nowadays we feel able to talk more openly about struggles like this. I see myself in this article but for me, the word that was the key to find resources to get better was the broader acronym RNT, "Repetitive negative thoughts". Perfectionism themes are one…

I think mostly everyone’s mental health issues go untreated. High achievers and otherwise, maybe for different reasons in different cases. Even people whose mental health issues cause them obvious distress often don’t get treatment.

Yeah, exactly, I think this article or the general consensus in this thread relates to the fact that high achievers' (or other positive-on-the-surface kinds of people) mental health is often overlooked due to the fact that they "don't have any real issues".

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Mental health issues too often remain untreated among high-achievers who are able to maintain a surface appearance of holding it together. It's a good trend that nowadays we feel able to talk more openly about struggles like this. I see myself in this article but for me, the word that was the key to find resources to get better was the broader acronym RNT, "Repetitive negative thoughts". Perfectionism themes are one…

Sad to say, it's still a somewhat uphill battle to get diagnosed with something, if you've been able to graduate, can hold a job, and have an otherwise "normal" life.

The first time I went to a psychologist, they couldn't rule out things like ADD/ADHD, but simply ended the examination (after 3 interviews), and concluded with "could be due to traumatic childhood" - which I did not have. In the journal, they noted that I had graduated from University, had a steady white-collar job, no crime record, in a relationship, and other things which ADHD patients would apparently struggle with.

Went for a second opinion, and got diagnosed with non-hyperactive ADHD (previously called ADD).

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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I'm a recovering perfectionist who has read their fair share of Brene Brown, Steven Pressfield, Seth Godin, Tony Robbins, Anne Lamott, and many more. The best metaphors I've read is in Bird by Bird. The author describes two different scenarios. The first is that perfection & progress is much like driving late at night with headlights. You will only be able to see as far as your headlights allow. You might be going th…

> The first is that perfection & progress is much like driving late at night with headlights. You will only be able to see as far as your headlights allow. that's all you need to drive ar night though (and driving in general) if you drive looking around you, you can become a danger for yourself and others. What I mean is that perfectionism is doing things the right way and make the best out of the limits you encounte…

> perfectionism is doing things the right way and make the best out of the limits you encounter

This is 'being a reasonable homo sapiens'. Perfectionism is having absurd expectations and refusing to do anything unless they're met.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that the behavior Perry describes is now being called “maladaptive daydreaming”. It’s not in the DSM yet, but it probably should be. It’s highly comorbid with obsessive compulsive disorders, which is also associated with perfectionism.

"Comorbid" implies that it's lethal, doesn't it? Wouldn't "correlated" be better here?

No, it’s a medical term that just means one condition often appears with another condition (e.g. maladaptive daydreaming often occurs with OCD).

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

#98
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Arun is describing almost every flaw a human being can have and wrapping it all in what he calls perfectionism. A good way to see if the scenarios he paints qualify you can just ask the question, if I did those things differently would I then be less of a perfectionist? I'm not sure the answer is an emphatic yes.

I disagree, I can think of a whole lot of other human flaws that don't fit under the umbrella of perfectionism the author describes. Narcissism, hypocrisy, abuse, violence, anger-issues, being Scottish, etc. Fear of failure/uncertainty seems to be a common thread under the umbrella of perfectionism, as well as an inability to really see ourselves and our conditions for what they really are. As I was reading the artic…

I just think that if you dig one level deep you'll find the root cause is the same. If someone's narcissistic they're doing that probably because they have a certain self-image that is all tied up to their self-worth that they want to preserve.

It's all about you at the end.

Re: Unlearning perfectionism

#99

Mental health issues too often remain untreated among high-achievers who are able to maintain a surface appearance of holding it together. It's a good trend that nowadays we feel able to talk more openly about struggles like this. I see myself in this article but for me, the word that was the key to find resources to get better was the broader acronym RNT, "Repetitive negative thoughts". Perfectionism themes are one…

Sad to say, it's still a somewhat uphill battle to get diagnosed with something, if you've been able to graduate, can hold a job, and have an otherwise "normal" life. The first time I went to a psychologist, they couldn't rule out things like ADD/ADHD, but simply ended the examination (after 3 interviews), and concluded with "could be due to traumatic childhood" - which I did not have. In the journal, they noted that…

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Re: Unlearning perfectionism

#100
Just read through this and my first thought is Scott Adam’s book “how to fail at almost anything and still win big” which I feel like is a humorous adaptation of the authors suggestion to focus on process not outcomes.
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