Andy Dick and Dave Foley episodes were removed? Skeptical about that, but if so, why?
Oh no, why Dave Foley? What did he do?
I mean, he isn't allowed back in Canada, last I heard =[ but I still love him.
Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#92I think Joe Rogan is an idiot. But, if anything, Spotify should have just posted a disclaimer somewhere stating these aren’t their views, with some links to reputable sources - even their own “Science Vs” podcast. It’s not like now the people who believed what he was saying are going to shrug their shoulders and start reading the “New England Journal of Medicine”.
Personally I really hate that idea. Spotify is a for-profit corporation. It's only official view is to make as much money as possible. Any other political or philosophical statement is at best a calculated ploy to make more profit. Let's not pretend otherwise.
Now, if the platform were a publicly funded news organization or TV station, then you could make that argument with a straight face.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#93If Spotify is trying to effect or create the appearance of a willingness to reach a compromise in response to the recent singer pressure campaign, then it is doing nothing other than signal weakness.
>If Spotify is trying to effect or create the appearance of a willingness to reach a compromise in response to the recent singer pressure campaign, then it is doing nothing other than signal weakness.
Perhaps it's just been a long week, but I don't really understand what you mean by "weakness" in this context.
Spotify is in an uncomfortable place right now. Some of the folks who generate some revenue for them aren't very happy with another guy who they bet on to generate even more revenue for them.
This, of course, made worse by the larger discussion around the pandemic.
Spotify is never going to win here. Regardless of what they do they will inevitably alienate a bunch of folks. The question for them is, "what's going to cause the least disruption to the revenue stream?"
I guess I'm not sure how (or why) it makes any difference, no matter what they choose to do.
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> They can do whatever the fuck they want.
If that's your framing, you should also grant that we can also protest whatever the fuck we want. This is a trite and unfruitful line of argument.
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It’s not censorship, at all. This is literally peak Capitalism, something anybody that finds their way to & stays on HN should very much understand. Money is currently talking, Spotify - a company - is reacting to money talking. Any other interpretation of this is… I don’t know, but definitely not correct. In the end, we’re once again shown, money is all that matters.
It absolutely is censorship when the exclusive owner and distributor of the content refuses to distribute and takes it down. It's the very definition of it.
You might be conflating that with the first amendment and free speech, but that's entirely different.
This is the deal Rogan signed so it's also free market capitalism, but that's not mutually exclusive either.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#96honestly seems more like the guests requesting their episodes being removed and it being done in batches. Lots of common names being removed.
Some guests who got theirs removed complained on twitter, so this seems unlikely.
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Thanks for the wikipedia article - perhaps you should have read it first
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#98My guess is that this is a technical error. Daniel Ek seems to know that yielding an inch to these whiners never yields anything but more whining.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#99Maybe the compromise was to remove videos algorithmically, ostensibly to avoid bias from human selection, and this is the poor result? None of the episodes that were removed are particularly controversial: they're comedians and contrarians mostly, and none of the episodes that actually inspired this controversy.
Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes
#100This is idiotic. I really respected Spotify for their position in the face of 'controversy.' I'm not a JRE listener, but believe in free speech. What Spotify is doing now just pisses off both sides. Pro speech people don't like this, JRE listeners don't like this, and anti Rogan people won't stop until he's 'canceled' completely.
> Pro speech people don't like this
I’m “pro speech” and I love this! No governmental agency stepped in and told Spotify what to do. They have a contract with Joe Rogan, are ostensibly honoring it, and are making a decision on what speech they want to be associated with.
What else do you want them to do? Be forced by someone to make a decision they don’t want to make? That doesn’t sound like something someone who believes in free speech would want.