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Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by julianwachholz »

baxtr wrote: post #63
Waterluvian wrote: post #39

I am fundamentally not interested in managing monthly bills for things. You won’t win me by asking for recurring donations. Just ask me for ten bucks for some one-time symbolic upgrade. Also I’ve recently been back on the App Store for the first time in a long while. WHAT IS GOING ON?! The gall for simple, offline only apps like a little piano keyboard to want monthly fees for continued use. There isn’t even an illus…

So you don't have any insurances?

We pay most of these large bills once a year and as a thank you we get a 2% discount or alternatively they don't charge us extra for each month's bill.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by [deleted] »

Freak_NL wrote: post #26
toomuchtodo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are not requirements for most messaging app users. I just want secure messaging. I don’t care if it’s open or interoperable. WhatsApp if it was run by a non profit.

Most messaging app users don't really care about encryption either. Most (or at least a large minority) probably wouldn't mind if their messages were used to 'deliver ads more suitable for you'. It doesn't mean these aren't important issues. Until Signal drops the phone number requirement (nothing beats that for efficient user tracking), allows desktop use without requiring a smartphone anywhere in the process, open…

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Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by windexh8er »

Tepix wrote: post #5

I'd argue that $5/month is quite high. Not because Signal isn't useful, but because the actual incurred cost per user is much, much lower. Of course, not everyone is going to pay. But if Signal were to ask users to pay, say $10 per year , i'm sure there'd be a lot more payers.

For what it is and how it contributes to me daily I don't believe it's high. $5/month for the peace of mind Signal provides is something I can make a case for. I subscribe to the $10/month level - because everyone in my circle uses it, and I pushed many of them in that direction. I want it to succeed, I want it to continue to improve, I want it to be available. I know I spend more than $10/month on other things that could easily be argued are far less useful than Signal.

That being said I do think there's value in a $1/month option, because that shouldn't be hard to rationalize. If something that's ad-free, operationally simple, and provides an improved level of privacy for it's users - one that requires humans and services to operate and be maintained - and still that can't be rationalized at $1/month, then the end user doesn't value what Signal is or can offer. Never mind the tradeoff one makes for "free" alternatives.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by gefhfffh »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #14
dfkajglag wrote: post #12

Reminder that Signal server source code is not fully released and the app is heavily dependent on google services to operate. Signal also takes measures against third party or unofficial apps. Whatever you say about privacy Signal is not an ally of user freedom.

These are not requirements for most messaging app users. I just want secure messaging. I don’t care if it’s open or interoperable. WhatsApp if it was run by a non profit.

"One in four people struggle to keep up with friends because they are using too many apps"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10451559/One...

TLDR: people are just not aware of their requirements

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by james_pm »

Tepix wrote: post #5

I'd argue that $5/month is quite high. Not because Signal isn't useful, but because the actual incurred cost per user is much, much lower. Of course, not everyone is going to pay. But if Signal were to ask users to pay, say $10 per year , i'm sure there'd be a lot more payers.

A simple "pay what you want" would be superior. I'd probably do $2/month for Signal. $60/year is way too much to ask and as a result, I did one month, then cancelled. Perhaps I'll do that again in six months, but maybe not.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by gefhfffh »

nicce wrote: post #23
iqanq wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I simply use whatsapp.

Technically it is not very secure. It leaks the most interesting stuff (metadata). People think that only message content matters.

Didn't know leaking meta data was a requirement for most of the people ;-)

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by WilTimSon »

bitexploder wrote: post #82
WilTimSon wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you might be talking about Brian Acton's loans to them? If so, yeah, they have to pay those off at some point, which begs the question why they took a loan in the first place. They were getting grants and things like that, so taking millions that they have to pay back, especially from a guy who sold WhatsApp to Facebook is... an interesting course of action.

No set time they must be repaid. As close to a gift as you can get.

> By the end of 2018, the loan had increased to $105,000,400, which is due to be repaid on February 28, 2068. The loan is unsecured and at 0% interest.

This is from Signal Foundation's Wikipedia. There is a schedule.

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by fao_ »

tapoxi wrote: post #72
dfkajglag wrote: post #12

Reminder that Signal server source code is not fully released and the app is heavily dependent on google services to operate. Signal also takes measures against third party or unofficial apps. Whatever you say about privacy Signal is not an ally of user freedom.

What do you mean 'not fully released'? It's here: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Server

Is that the version that is actually deployed to their servers, though?

Re: Signal users can give a recurring monthly contribution

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Post by skyyler »

toyg wrote: post #48
linuxlizard wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia. It's one place in the internet I can go and not be bombarded with ads.

True, but you'll periodically be bombarded by donation drives instead... Money ruins everything, sadly. Where's my barter system...

I’m fine with that.

Donation drives aren’t misleading. Donation drives don’t use shadow profiles. Donation drives don’t impact content. Donation drives don’t convince my grandma that she needs to send the IRS Target gift cards.

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