> EU data protection authorities find that the consent popups that plagued Europeans for years are illegal.
Plagued Europeans? Are they seeing additional consent pop ups beyond the ones all the rest of us are tortured with?
GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
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Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
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> I wish there was an HTTP header that meant "I don't give a shit about what you do with my data, just let me get the information I want from this website". I'm OK with that as long as there is an equivalent HTTP header which means "NO! Do not track anything, do not profile, do not collect any information besides the bare minimum PROVEN to be essential for the site to function at all. Either something's truly essenti…
> HTTP header which means "NO! Do not track anything, do not profile, do not collect any information [...]"
I think it's called uBlock Origin. No other way. Yet.
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, overall I'm really happy with the GDPR. The main thing I'd like to see changed is that consent dialogs should be a built-in browser feature with a standardized interface that all websites were required to use instead of coming up with their own. That way we could finally end this farce of the ad-industry's attempts at weaseling their way around the word of the law (and the latest rulings) by designing dark patte…
This is what the DoNotTrack header was designed for, originally. I guess the big corporations didn't like it and lobbied for the next-worst thing, the cookie popups, hoping that it would become a big failure.
Well, the DNT header was kneecapped from the beginning, as it was required to be off by default, whereas GDPR rightly reuqires users to explicitly request to be tracked.
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#94Collecting and selling digital data is not a legitimate business enterprise. It’s spyware. If no one wants to pay for your product, the market has spoken. Too bad. We must correct the insanity and digital economic imbalance that spyware businesses have created.
> Collecting and selling digital data is not a legitimate business enterprise. According to who, you? > It’s spyware. How is it spying when the people are freely giving away their data? > If no one wants to pay for your product, the market has spoken. Too bad. Very true, however it's not clear how a truism about something else relates to the topic? Was this supposed to be persuasive about collecting digital data? > W…
How does anyone have a choice in this?
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comment is being downvoted but I’m also wondering: how will this be enforced? Will authorities go and audit the data? How will they know where to look? Etc. “Hey did you delete the data?” “Yes, we deleted it” would, indeed, be laughable. This is not to mention the problem of identifying “the data” which has certainly now been processed ad nauseum. I think the reason companies don’t take these things seriously is…
> how will this be enforced? Will authorities go and audit the data? How will they know where to look? Etc. “Hey did you delete the data?” “Yes, we deleted it” would, indeed, be laughable. If you're not familiar with Northern European culture, I'm quite sure the companies can expect literal inspectors in their offices expecting clear answers to where the data is and what was done with it. They will be pleasant but fi…
How well-versed are they in file systems, database schemas? Will they look at source code? Will they understand it? How will they determine what data came from where?
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish my government looked out for me like this.
The scary thing is that it's the EU doing this. Our national elected governments are not interested in actually fixing things like this because it doesn't immediately win votes, and there is only a limited number of national civil servants so nobody is working on this kind of thing on a national scale. But put those civil servants in a committee in Brussels with not as much short term pressure, and they can work out…
The "EU doing things" is not detached from your national government. In fact all EU legislation is being approved by your national government in the EU Council and the EU commission has to report there. (As well as the EU parliament, however the EU parliament is weak ...)
Edit: maybe as addition in the last point in parentheses: The EU parliament is purposely weak, as the EU is a union of states and the member state government want the power in the council and don't want to give up power.
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#97My favorite part is: > All data collected through the TCF must now be deleted by the more than 1,000 companies that pay IAB Europe to use the TCF. This includes Google’s, Amazon’s and Microsoft’s online advertising businesses. It's not just that they need to find new ways to screw users. It's that since they screwed users, they also must lose their ill-gained data. Which will probably be a nice deterrent against them…
I’m not sure how true this is, many types of data have diminishing returns after a few months. I’d be surprised if they lost money compared to not using these methods —- they’ve just lost the tail of incremental value.
Millions of Google Analytics customers with suddenly blank histories going back (years?) will notice quite a bit, whole classes of employees basically just make charts about historical performance.
Attribution in advertising is something which can last months for some products, and it's doubtful that a large proportion of companies import from GA and will lose their ability to gauge current performance compared to the past.
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#98My favorite part is: > All data collected through the TCF must now be deleted by the more than 1,000 companies that pay IAB Europe to use the TCF. This includes Google’s, Amazon’s and Microsoft’s online advertising businesses. It's not just that they need to find new ways to screw users. It's that since they screwed users, they also must lose their ill-gained data. Which will probably be a nice deterrent against them…
> All data collected through the TCF must now be deleted At best the companies will have to delete months of data, the rest being stale or already fed through some ML loop that extracted any useful value from it.
Would they need to delete derived ML data as well?
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#99Collecting and selling digital data is not a legitimate business enterprise. It’s spyware. If no one wants to pay for your product, the market has spoken. Too bad. We must correct the insanity and digital economic imbalance that spyware businesses have created.
> Collecting and selling digital data is not a legitimate business enterprise. According to who, you? > It’s spyware. How is it spying when the people are freely giving away their data? > If no one wants to pay for your product, the market has spoken. Too bad. Very true, however it's not clear how a truism about something else relates to the topic? Was this supposed to be persuasive about collecting digital data? > W…
> How is it spying when the people are freely giving away their data?
The ruling has proved that no, people are not freely giving away their data. One of the infringing issues is that the system "Fails to properly request consent."
Re: GDPR enforcer rules that IAB Europe’s consent popups are unlawful
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish my government looked out for me like this.
The scary thing is that it's the EU doing this. Our national elected governments are not interested in actually fixing things like this because it doesn't immediately win votes, and there is only a limited number of national civil servants so nobody is working on this kind of thing on a national scale. But put those civil servants in a committee in Brussels with not as much short term pressure, and they can work out…
If there's one thing you can rely on, it's an Irish enforcement body doing sweet feckall. No wonder they like to use the Irish DPC!
The EU is our saving grace far too often.