Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination • Hacker News Board

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by josephcsible » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 6:16 AM UTC

assbuttbuttass wrote: post #2

It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%. In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

You can't just compare the overall myocarditis rate from the vaccine with the one from COVID like that. Doing so makes the incorrect assumptions that you definitely will get COVID if you're unvaccinated, and that you definitely won't if you are. Let w=the chance the vaccine gives you myocarditis, x=the chance COVID gives you myocarditis, y=the chance you get COVID if you're unvaccinated, and z=the chance you get COVID if you're vaccinated. The proper comparison is then between w and x*(y-z), not just between w and x.

Also, are you only counting the number of reported and confirmed vaccine-caused cases, but then comparing that to an estimate of the total number of COVID-caused cases?

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by draw_down » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 1:42 PM UTC

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #37

castrodd wrote: post #34

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I think he was using a rhetorical device called sarcasm.

Sarcasm is not a rhetorical device, and I don't believe anyone was trying to hurt feelings. If you feel the need to make a joke like that, which is unfunny and makes you look like you don't understand things, you should expect some inbound explanations.

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Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by MockObject » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 9:23 PM UTC

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #90

dazilcher wrote: post #89

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Were you not so engulfed in righteous outrage, you might have noticed you're replying to a different person. Maybe you should take their advice after all, and exercise some tranquility.

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Evidently, your side of the argument provides insults and slurs in response to facts and citations. Thank you for providing a data point for us.

Re: Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

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Post by disambiguation » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 9:39 PM UTC

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #83

disambiguation wrote: post #53

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Sure, I don't mind leaving it to the scientists. I'm just wondering "out loud" for 2 reasons: 1. "experts" have been relentlessly debunking vaers the past 2 years. This is even discussed in the limitations: "Given the high verification rate of reports of myocarditis to VAERS after mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination, underreporting is more likely." 2. This isn't the first analysis of this kind, yet prior reports have emp…

> I'm just wondering "out loud" for 2 reasons: because it feels like you're being a valuable skeptic, even though you aren't? because you think "just asking questions," the way scare political news commentators, delivers something positive? because you think the work of scientists should be judged based on the debunking of a source that has nothing to do with the science you're openly questioning? because you've beco…

Amazing. I love outbursts like this. Gatekeeping, arrogance, a complete meltdown and inability to cope with reality, all packaged and presented as a self righteous lecture that no one asked for. I have to wonder what value you think you're providing?

"Stupid people should shut-up and listen to the smart people!" is that it?

Am I leading the "stupid" astray? Am I the villain to your hero? This is cute, really.

May I ask how many lives have you saved today? Donated any blood lately? Perhaps you volunteer at your local fire department? Anything at all?

"Oh look the self anointed arbiter of the intellectual elite is here to rescue us from the very bad, no good, misinformation brigade!"

How many dragons have you vanquished on the internet today? Do you pat yourself on the back every time you blow your load?

Guess what else? Smart and stupid people can see you too. They can all see just "how much you get it".

Take a deep breath, look in the mirror, and try to do better next time.

Thanks for the laugh.