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Good. People have a right to be free.
Well depends what you call free. If we can end pandemic, we don't have to wear masks, no more boosters. That would be ideal freedom right? But not vaccinating, thinking one can outsmart public health officials, being intolerant is apparently not a freedom to me.
This is a direct result of the (intentionally) punitive nature of vaccine mandates. Broad, heavy-handed actions by the government are the classic spark for societal backlash. A softer approach that focused on positive benefits for having a vax pass versus punishing unvaxxed would probably had better results. Instead, we've pushed (presumably) otherwise law-abiding citizens into using forged documents. This directly u…
Some states tried using positive feedback in the form of lotteries, prizes, or even just paying people to get the vaccine. I don't think those measures were very successful.
The US government's inability to deploy effective mobile validation apps like China is a feature, not a bug. A "legit" handwritten card signed by someone at Walgreens is inherently untrustworthy.
Legit cards are not "signed" by anyone. They're simply vaccination records for the patient. The patient derives their trust in the card from the fact that they were present at their own vaccination.
Yes, exactly. And "signed" was not the best term. "Filled out" would be better.
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Some states tried using positive feedback in the form of lotteries, prizes, or even just paying people to get the vaccine. I don't think those measures were very successful.
I haven't heard of paying people to get vaccinated so I search for it and one of it worked a little bit even when it was a measly $24, which doesn't it really cover the time it takes. https://www.chicagobooth.edu/review/does-paying-people-get-v... Where did they do it that it failed?
https://ldh.la.gov/news/SF100-Extended
https://www.wboy.com/news/health/coronavirus/watch-live-wv-g...
Yet, their vaccination rates still largely follow their political predispositions.
I initially thought these plans were a great idea, but I'm not sure that they've been as effective as I hoped.
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> Americans don't want to use ID even for voting *many liberal Americans
Pretty sure the US doesn't have an official federal-issued ID, and most of the time driving license works as such. And it seems this applies to the majority of Anglosphere countries. Here in Poland we have a compulsory IDs, which for over 20 years now are plastic. Recently RFID tags and finger prints were added; there's also a standard biometric photo of face. All of this comes also with electronic and qualified elec…
Besides, with "Real ID" state ID's meet federal verification standards now as well.
I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right. Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here. Anecdote time; I re…
That's problems of communication (Vaccines: You can get pretty sick but you won't die.) and abusing EMS (fear of being sued hypochondria and not triaging calls enough), not the vaccine.
The vaxx card should've contained anti-forging properties like holograms or security threads, and been maintained electronically at issuance with a QR code for verification purposes. The card itself shouldn't be proof.
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Isn't that a common knowledge, assuming vaccination means less hospitalization. So, why do we even need data in such case? Vaccine passports somehow forces or incentivizes people to vaccinate more?
It is a common and well documented knowledge that obesity and alcohol use increase hospitalizations. Do you propose fitness and sobriety passports to incentivize healthier life styles?
I can tell you as a first responder, it doesn't matter. The "vaccine" is a damn joke. I am F**ing exhausted this morning, and I don't care anymore. We are being run in the ground across the country with people quitting left and right. Fake vaccine cards are the least of our worries. You heard it here first. The emergency medical system is in deep trouble for way too many reasons to enumerate here. Anecdote time; I re…
Everyone wants that easy pill (or shot) to “make it go away”. Or the magical mask talisman to wear and ward off evil. But nobody wants to actually make a permanent lifestyle change to end this.
If COVID at the very least serves as a REAL wake up call about our obesity crisis, it would be a miracle outcome for public health.
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I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many on HN constantly seem to imply that the polarization and politicization of the pandemic was caused by the media, scientists, public health officials or anyone else but the last president and many people in his administration. They were immediately trying to shift blame to anyone but themselves. It was the "China virus" from pretty much day 1. He was literally cros…
It is interesting you say that because the first notice I saw of it starting to get politicized was people calling Trump racist for attempting to placing a travel ban from/to China, and for using the phrase China virus, when there is a decent history of naming diseases from where they came from. I think in fact your link attests to that because it's not saying anything about COVID it is all about how Trump is being r…
Trump has a history of xenophobia. The China ban was viewed as a second Muslim ban. It also appeared to be disconnected from the facts at the time because it was neither a full ban and was only singling out China. So it was clearly going to be ineffective and unfairly stigmatize Chinese people. Considering all of this, it isn't surprising his critics called it racist.
Also now that we are still in a pandemic two years later, it should be obvious that Trump patting himself on the back for this China ban is at best foolish. It was never going to have much of an impact.
> and for using the phrase China virus, when there is a decent history of naming diseases from where they came from.
Just because there is a "decent history" of something happening doesn't mean we should continue it forever. It is known that this type of naming is often wrong (the Spanish Flu likely originated in Kansas) and can lead to unnecessary and unproductive stigmatization. There is already a history of intentionally not using the place of origin to avoid these problems (Ebola was consciousness not named after the village it was found so they used a more generalized area)
> I think in fact your link attests to that because it's not saying anything about COVID it is all about how Trump is being racist for using the word China flu.
Why do you think Trump would consistently use "China flu" other than for political reasons? Isn't it obvious so people blame China for it?
>Personally I can't stand the guy, but if you believe that the entire virus and COVID response was made entirely politicized by Donald Trump, I'd check your medication because you might just be taking crazy pills in that case as you stated at the beginning.
I didn't say he was the only person responsible. I said he was the one who initially politicized it. Once it is politicized, both sides will continue to perpetuate that polarization.
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I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many on HN constantly seem to imply that the polarization and politicization of the pandemic was caused by the media, scientists, public health officials or anyone else but the last president and many people in his administration. They were immediately trying to shift blame to anyone but themselves. It was the "China virus" from pretty much day 1. He was literally cros…
I feel like I am taking crazy pills the way that many think Trump was the source of the polarization and not a reaction to it.
In general it was both. Trump was both a reaction to polarization and helped increase it.
With the pandemic, I don't think there was an polarization beforehand. The US usually rallies around even unpopular leaders during trouble. 9/11 is the obvious example. Who specifically do you think caused the pandemic polarization?