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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by jjcon »

version_five wrote: post #2

"A review cannot be requested for this restriction" ML enforcing rules is bad enough, but not allowing false positives to be corrected is ridiculous. This is why I would never consider g-suite for any business application. Otoh, I think there is a legitimate business to be made helping small businesses and individuals secure themselves against arbitrary behavior from big tech. This kind of thing can have serious cons…

I really don't think their copyright checks are run by anything in the ML domain.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by belter »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #16
jrockway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until cloud providers are forced to scan block devices, so you can't even self-host a file erroneously flagged by the ML? (Actually, how long until this is integrated with the "security engine" in CPUs, so you can't even hide with encryption? Everyone is talking about on-device voice-recognition and CSAM recognition, but no doubt the copyright lobby is going to push hard for this as well.)

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

We are in the middle of the hostilities, and we can always appreciate if more young idealists, as well as practical and hands-on militias want to join the revolution:

"The Coming War on General Computation":

http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/coming-war-general-com...

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by foxfluff »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #82
voldacar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could just use FPGAs. They aren't fast, but your homegrown chips won't be either.

Those are also fabricated by huge corporations. No guarantee they won't be compromised by industry or government interests.

True, but it's harder to compromise a fully programmable device. In essence, you'd have to somehow prevent certain kinds of programming while still permitting all the rest. How is the device to know that flipping pin 121 and 122 in a specific pattern is actually clocking bits from a storage device?

I think the web is broken (user-hostile) for the same reason. It's been made to support arbitrary programming, and now you have to play this weird cat and mouse game of trying to prevent a particular kind of programming -- that can be used against you -- without breaking all the rest of the web. Google can block your browser because they can run code in your browser. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30051512

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by version_five »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #82
voldacar wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could just use FPGAs. They aren't fast, but your homegrown chips won't be either.

Those are also fabricated by huge corporations. No guarantee they won't be compromised by industry or government interests.

It does seem to some extend the higher the level of abstraction, the more potential for inappropriate controls or restrictions. More restrictions exist in apps vs OS vs cpu, or in cloud services like gdrive vs an EBS volume on AWS. So FPGAs are at least a step closer to free (or harder to secure). Even if they are under control of the manufacturer, there is a lot more flexibility and less potential for "oversight" at the gate level.

There is still the question of all the peripherals, I'd be worried about internet and video and other i/o adapters only being compatible with proprietary hardware, and impossible to use with a home programmed fpga

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by giaour »

bobm_kite9 wrote: post #25
ehnto wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of that 70s IBM presentation quote that surfaced recently, "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision". It's one thing to have a computer flag issues, another to make it responsible for taking action and in this case, making a decision final. Google continues to set poor examples with irresponsible implementations of machine learning. With no accou…

Yes! This is one thing humans are still much better at than AI: taking blame.

The best of both worlds is when you have a human supervise a fully automated process. You can pay them peanuts and still use them as liability sponges.

(The term "liability sponge" is shamelessly stolen from https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2757236 .)

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by denton-scratch »

misnome wrote: post #57
onion2k wrote: post #4

If Google has the copyright on "1", they only need to get "0" as well and they'll have everything.

All copyright-infringing files are ~50% 1's, therefore there is a 50% chance of every file with a 1 in being copyright-infringing! Statistics don't lie, which is presumably why google employs so many of them, to calculate these efficiencies.

> Statistics don't lie

However statistics can be used to confuse.

If a file is 50% 1's, then a 1-digit file has a 50% chance of infringing. More than that, the chance of infringement grows pretty fast.

Also, if "1" is copyright, then a file with a "1" in it is infringing; there's no chance there. It's certainty.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

belter wrote: post #93
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

We are in the middle of the hostilities, and we can always appreciate if more young idealists, as well as practical and hands-on militias want to join the revolution: "The Coming War on General Computation": http://opentranscripts.org/transcript/coming-war-general-com...

I remember that article. Deeply influenced my views on this matter. It's so good to read it once more. So many examples I'd totally forgotten about.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by Filligree »

newhotelowner wrote: post #36

I am a small business owners. I pay for google one so that all my files are backed up and sync across devices. I also pay for backblaze to backup all my files (Just in the case google screws me). Is there an alternative for encrypted backup & sync between different computers?

Plenty. One of the easiest to use is probably Syncthing, if you’re thinking of self-hosting.
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