One thing that has changed in the airline industry that wasn't the case when the points guy started, is that the Airline Frequent flier miles are worth more than the actual airline themselves making the airlines essentially banks.
American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
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Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#92https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/legal-infor... "Unless otherwise noted, all information, AAdvantage® account information, articles, data, images, passwords, Personal Identification Numbers ("PINs"), screens, text, user names, Web pages, or other materials (collectively "Content") appearing on the Site are the exclusive property of American Airlines Group, Inc., or American Airlines, Inc., or their su…
> "You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise."
> Seems pretty cut-and-dry to me.
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Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#93Interesting that AA frames it as TPG's app stealing confidential customer data, while it is the customer who set up the app and willingly provided their credentials in the first place. Will AA be able to find a single customer who has a problem with what TPG does? What is their case then exactly? Would they similarly sue the app if customers were copy pasting data into it, rather than accessing it programmatically? F…
I don’t this matters, from a legal standpoint.
The issue isn’t whether or not it’s what the customers wanted. The issue is that TPG wasn’t the party that entered into the agreement with AA when creating the account.
I’m not suggesting it’s right or wrong, but that’s the issue.
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#94Interesting that AA frames it as TPG's app stealing confidential customer data, while it is the customer who set up the app and willingly provided their credentials in the first place. Will AA be able to find a single customer who has a problem with what TPG does? What is their case then exactly? Would they similarly sue the app if customers were copy pasting data into it, rather than accessing it programmatically? F…
AA and all other US airlines argue that information about your customer account is part of a data set that belongs to them, so they set the terms by which the data may be accessed. It's in their terms of service. This isn't particularly unique to airlines either.
That should simply not be enforceable, period. If we had any consumer advocacy in government in the US, this BS would have never even come up.
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#95> The interest was monetization of customer eyeballs, an American Airlines source shared that they wanted customers checking accounts at AA.com where they could be marketed to. It seems like so many problems, annoyances and inconvenience in modern society are artificially created/maintained just to enable this disgusting industry. Imagine how more efficient things could be if this cancer was eradicated once and for a…
Specifically the airline industry, all industrial complexes, or adapting/adjusting copyright and intellectual property laws?
Edit to add: Do you really have to downvote, don't you have something better to do with your click?
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#96https://www.aa.com/i18n/customer-service/support/legal-infor... "Unless otherwise noted, all information, AAdvantage® account information, articles, data, images, passwords, Personal Identification Numbers ("PINs"), screens, text, user names, Web pages, or other materials (collectively "Content") appearing on the Site are the exclusive property of American Airlines Group, Inc., or American Airlines, Inc., or their su…
If everything written in a contract is always enforceable, the entire field of contract law would not exist.
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#97Is this different than what Plaid does with bank logins?
Or Mint
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#98> The interest was monetization of customer eyeballs, an American Airlines source shared that they wanted customers checking accounts at AA.com where they could be marketed to. It seems like so many problems, annoyances and inconvenience in modern society are artificially created/maintained just to enable this disgusting industry. Imagine how more efficient things could be if this cancer was eradicated once and for a…
Unfortunately, like the real cancer, it has too many forms and too many causes to have a simple way of eradicating it. And unlike the real cancer, nobody is seriously investing into fixing it. Maybe some kind of paradigm shift is required to make the approach of "we hold data about you that you need hostage so we could sell you stuff and control your behavior" no longer acceptable. After all, you wouldn't accept if t…
>car dealer would be the only one who had access to your car mileage or maintenance records
So yea, I have the next billion dollar idea. The gas gauge app. $3.99 a month to know how much farther you can travel. Also, we remove the gauge from inside the car.
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#99> The interest was monetization of customer eyeballs, an American Airlines source shared that they wanted customers checking accounts at AA.com where they could be marketed to. It seems like so many problems, annoyances and inconvenience in modern society are artificially created/maintained just to enable this disgusting industry. Imagine how more efficient things could be if this cancer was eradicated once and for a…
Exactly. Personally I don't differentiate between carbon-based and silicon-based eyes. They're both eyes. Also, banning silicon-based eyes should be declared a massive, massive ADA violation.
That's a fairly bizarre and Byzantine approach to legalizing screen scraping. If we want to make screen scraping affirmatively legal, we can simply do that.
We don't need to anthropomorphize HTML/JSON parsing as equivalent to human vision, and then declare any efforts to restrict that vision to be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Lol.
Re: American Airlines and The Points Guy are suing each other
#100> The interest was monetization of customer eyeballs, an American Airlines source shared that they wanted customers checking accounts at AA.com where they could be marketed to. It seems like so many problems, annoyances and inconvenience in modern society are artificially created/maintained just to enable this disgusting industry. Imagine how more efficient things could be if this cancer was eradicated once and for a…
Specifically the airline industry, all industrial complexes, or adapting/adjusting copyright and intellectual property laws? Edit to add: Do you really have to downvote, don't you have something better to do with your click?
i assume they mean advertising.