It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)
10GbE and 100GbE on fiber is quite cheap and easy now - but 99% of consumers and people doing ordinary stuff have no capability or interest in doing fiber. You can terminate cat5e or cat6 with $25 in hand tools... I think what's new is the prevalence now of 2.5 and 5GBaseT ethernet chips that are cheap enough companies are starting to build them into any $125+ ATX motherboard. At short lengths even old crappy cat5e h…
Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module
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Weird, SteamLink on gigabit ethernet is barely useable here
Looks like SteamLink only has a 100mbit/s NIC? People do often vastly overestimate how much bandwidth things need. The latest 4K HDR Blu-rays are easily streamable over 100mbit/s with a big enough buffer. A big buffer is no good for real-time gaming, of course, so they probably cap the peak bitrate to <100mbit/s which would be fine I imagine.
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#93Some people are saying that they don't feel the need for > 1 Gbps in a home network. As a counter-point, I'm regularly limited by 1 Gbps PHY limits. During the 2 years of the pandemic I've been working from home with gigabit Internet. Why gigabit? Because that's the "speed limit" of the Ethernet PHY in the fibre broadband box, and also my laptop's ethernet port. My laptop can write to disk at multiple GB per second,…
I don’t see a use case for 10gb Ethernet in your home network in your post, unless I’m missing something? It sounds like your ISP is limited to 1gbps and all your use cases seem to be bottlenecked by it. Do you have home servers you forgot to mention that you’re uploading docker images to, and those could benefit from 10gb Ethernet? (For me, I use gigabit Ethernet everywhere at home but sometimes need to transfer lar…
I work inside a workstation but occasionally on a laptop as well.
Having 10GbE will help me when I'm on my workstation. It's not fatal, definitely, but it adds up to lost productivity.
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#94Some people are saying that they don't feel the need for > 1 Gbps in a home network. As a counter-point, I'm regularly limited by 1 Gbps PHY limits. During the 2 years of the pandemic I've been working from home with gigabit Internet. Why gigabit? Because that's the "speed limit" of the Ethernet PHY in the fibre broadband box, and also my laptop's ethernet port. My laptop can write to disk at multiple GB per second,…
I don’t see a use case for 10gb Ethernet in your home network in your post, unless I’m missing something? It sounds like your ISP is limited to 1gbps and all your use cases seem to be bottlenecked by it. Do you have home servers you forgot to mention that you’re uploading docker images to, and those could benefit from 10gb Ethernet? (For me, I use gigabit Ethernet everywhere at home but sometimes need to transfer lar…
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t see a use case for 10gb Ethernet in your home network in your post, unless I’m missing something? It sounds like your ISP is limited to 1gbps and all your use cases seem to be bottlenecked by it. Do you have home servers you forgot to mention that you’re uploading docker images to, and those could benefit from 10gb Ethernet? (For me, I use gigabit Ethernet everywhere at home but sometimes need to transfer lar…
More devices used at once? If I am downloading 1 Gb/s from the internet, and meanwhile one of my housemates want to look at a movie from our NAS, the other one wants to backup 100 GB of photos to the same NAS - then 1 Gb/s home network is not enough.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looks like SteamLink only has a 100mbit/s NIC? People do often vastly overestimate how much bandwidth things need. The latest 4K HDR Blu-rays are easily streamable over 100mbit/s with a big enough buffer. A big buffer is no good for real-time gaming, of course, so they probably cap the peak bitrate to <100mbit/s which would be fine I imagine.
It's the steamlink app of a samsung tv which is from 2020, I doubt it's 100mbit
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Getting stuck to 1 Gbps is somewhat crazy, as even the slowest laptop and PC M.2 SSDs can do 10-20 Gbps easy. Fastest ones 50 Gbps+. But I guess most people don't transfer files in their local networks anymore and use their network purely for internet access.
> But I guess most people don't transfer files in their local networks anymore and use their network purely for internet access. I think this is clearly the case. Most new laptops don't even bother with a wired network port. I've got a new "pro" HP laptop the other day, and it only comes with some cheap Wi-Fi card. And it's not an "entry-level" laptop, and it's thick enough for an RJ-45 plug to physically fit. I also…
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Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…
Another factor: data centres moved to fiber. And fiber is less physically robust and not great for desktop connections or plugging in to a laptop. 10GBASE-T exists, but it turns out pushing 10gbit/s over 100m of twisted pair requires chips that are hot and power hungry. Again, not great for desktops or laptops. And because it’s not used in data centres, there are no economies of scale or trickle down effects. Gigabit…
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t see a use case for 10gb Ethernet in your home network in your post, unless I’m missing something? It sounds like your ISP is limited to 1gbps and all your use cases seem to be bottlenecked by it. Do you have home servers you forgot to mention that you’re uploading docker images to, and those could benefit from 10gb Ethernet? (For me, I use gigabit Ethernet everywhere at home but sometimes need to transfer lar…
In my case I'd like to transfer from/to my NAS where I centralize a number of data pieces. I work inside a workstation but occasionally on a laptop as well. Having 10GbE will help me when I'm on my workstation. It's not fatal, definitely, but it adds up to lost productivity.
Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module
#100It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)
10GbE and 100GbE on fiber is quite cheap and easy now - but 99% of consumers and people doing ordinary stuff have no capability or interest in doing fiber. You can terminate cat5e or cat6 with $25 in hand tools... I think what's new is the prevalence now of 2.5 and 5GBaseT ethernet chips that are cheap enough companies are starting to build them into any $125+ ATX motherboard. At short lengths even old crappy cat5e h…
Unfortunately, I'm finding switches with 2.5 to still be overpriced.