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Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by pasabagi »

forvelin wrote: post #26
krageon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taiwan is the leftover of the fascist faction, is it not? Not exactly a paragon of Chinese cultural history. We're just looking at a very, very slow civil war.

Nationalists for many, fascists for some. One should not evaluate Chinese civil war with European eyeglasses.

I think there's a degree of straight cultural influence from european fascism (the nationalist's elite units were trained by german officers in the interwar years), plus having the same basic project (the nationalists were trying to create a nation for the Han[0]), and the same methods (extrajudicial violence, state terror[1]).

I agree that it's hard to use european political categories in east asia, but I think the KMT is a neater fit for fascism than a lot of european fascists (e.g. Spain's nationalsts). I think the problem is less an east-west thing and more just that fascism is a really vague category.

[0]: dunno if that counts as an ethnicity, but dunno if that matters.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan)

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by platinumrad »

vlkr wrote: post #35

I wonder how many accounts the chinese state maintains on hackernews to upvote/downvote post and comments. It's an easy way to influence the public opinion and hard to expose.

Looking at the typical patterns of voting and commenting, do you honestly think the CCP runs an effective influence operation on this site?

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by kinghtown »

rnmwfQ3f wrote: post #74
kinghtown wrote: post #17

I live in Taiwan. Very, very few people here are pro-PRC. Tons of Taiwanese people love China and culturally consider themselves Chinese (to be clear, not Chinese citizens.) The vast majority of people disagree on if they should either give up and surrender to the PRC because they may launch missiles or invade once they have a non-laughing stock navy, avoid a bloody war, or if China wouldn’t dare to do that because i…

My wife is Taiwanese, so I can confirm Taiwanese and Chinese get along fine. Many marriages, friendships and business partnerships cross the Taiwan Strait. However Taiwanese people don't use their passport to travel to China. China doesn't recognise it. They are issued a travel permit by the PRC, similar to citizens of Hong Kong and Macau.

I was just talking to someone who came back from working in Shanghai and that’s not what she told me but it’s very possible she misunderstood my question.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by beaconstudios »

krageon wrote: post #81
beaconstudios wrote: post #52

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it's more of a state ideology than a style of government - I don't think fascism has any defining economic positions, for instance, except opposition to socialism.

I'm talking about Fascism as it is commonly understood: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

yeah me too - from your link:

> often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

the first part of that is the defining part of fascism - the state ideology. There's also common co-features like authoritarianism, a cult of personality and anti-democratic tendencies but neither are especially universal (for instance with Pinochet and Franco).

It is pretty commonly used to describe just authoritarianism in general though.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by ytch »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #8
gfykvfyxgc wrote: post #6

Boom - all credibility lost - it’s just a scam, another CCP shill. I actually watched this video the other day, and I remember this interviewee and I remember being surprised at how pro China the people of Taipei are. Clearly Asian Boss has served its CCP masters well because I was convinced this was real and not fake CCP propaganda.

I remember watching it and thinking the opposite. The article states that the guy was incredibly pro-KMT, which is about as anti-CCP as you can get. His perspective was interesting, but it is disappointing to find out he's a plant.

> was incredibly pro-KMT, which is about as anti-CCP as you can get

Here are some reference that shows how pro-CCP they are:

https://international.thenewslens.com/article/116615

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Taiwan-s-new-Kuomintang-lea...

https://frozengarlic.wordpress.com/2015/05/09/chus-china-tri...

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Kuomintang-KMT-have-a-clo...

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Post by platinumrad »

starfallg wrote: post #89
platinumrad wrote: post #44

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Even if you are a staunch traditionalist, "almost everything" is a massive exaggeration. The entire country still effectively shuts down for two weeks during the lunar new year. Sure this would be among the first things to go in an authoritarian state hell-bent on industrialization and yet it has persisted.

Of course that's a figure of speech, but hey, ok. With regards to the lunar new year break, Communist regimes actually have lots of public holidays. That's straight from their ideology, so not sure why you think that authoritarianism must equal to oppressing worker rights or the labour movement. That's why there is a distinction between the authoritarian left and the authoritarian right.

"[They eliminated] Almost everything, including the writing system" does not sound like a figure of speech to me, but you do you I guess.

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Post by ridaj »

rackjack wrote: post #36
throw8932894 wrote: post #22

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??? The teachings of Confucius, the food, even those big red door decorations with the symbols on them, and so on... are these not things that are still endemic across the mainland? It is simply absurd to claim Chinese culture only survived in "a few small places" in the mainland.

Some aspects of Chinese culture remained through the cultural revolution, but some previously important cultural features, like those related to music or Buddhism for example, were nearly wiped out. Maybe as a result, to this day some of the biggest hitting Mandarin singers are Taiwanese. In the movie space, HK used to produce lots of great movies, but many of them couldn't be made anymore given the HK takeover and how mainland movie production is now driven by propaganda goals. I hope to see Taiwan pick it up.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by mlindner »

captainmuon wrote: post #49
throw8932894 wrote: post #22

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Not to take sides here, but China is big and saying "Chinese culture" is a bit like "European culture". Didn't the ROC displace the native culture and languages of Tawian when they fled? Also I would think the abolisment of imperal rule and a lot of imperial culture is one of the very few things KMT and CCP can agree on.

Taiwan has it even stranger as they were ruled by Japan for 50 years (long before WW2) so much of their culture had started to become Japanese culture or a Japanese-Taiwanese hybrid culture. Japan massively modernized the country to the point that when Taiwan has handed back to China, Taiwan was more advanced than China. I read one description that described it as being re-invaded by a bunch of uncultured ruffians that went looting and pillaging everywhere.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by matsemann »

nobrains wrote: post #56
iso1210 wrote: post #46

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I was at an election briefing at a large media organisation a few years ago, one of the chief editors told the journalists "We can't stop you using vox pops, but please don't use them much" and that (paraphrasing) "they are usually awful, we know they add color but they detract from the story and become the story" Of course "Person confirming stereotype" attracts clicks and shares, is easy to do, and that's good for…

Man-on-the-street interviews should record the entire footage for transparency, without any cuts, for transparency, so that the audience can know which opinions were kept and which were removed.

Reminds me of a movie I saw as a kid. Can't remember the exact situation. But some celebrity, super-hero or whatever got asked by a journalist something ala "why did you say you hate this city?" and they answered "I have never said 'I hate this city'". Then what was aired was the last of that sentence, only the 'I hate this city' part.

Re: Asian Boss planted deep blue YouTuber and pretended he was a 'man on the street'

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Post by richardfey »

Two notes:

- what is at the extremes, and in the middle, can be changing all the time, the view of the author is not "canon" in this sense

- why does a YouTube video have more impact than the research? Perhaps more work on scientific publication is necessary

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