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Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by LatteLazy »

skinkestek wrote: post #73
LatteLazy wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People think it's west Vs China or USA vs others. It's not. It's these "services" Vs the people they're meant to be serving.

It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.

I'd like that. It should be that. But it's really not. No one is actually willing to take any action on China sadly.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by somesortofsystm »

trasz wrote: post #83
skinkestek wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.

It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?

Wasn't just a random million. Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's war of aggression.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by nelgaard »

type0 wrote: post #84

Does Denmark have secret courts like US?

Not officially and not like the US.

However for about 10 years there have been issued warrants without the name of the court and judges on them in terror-related cases: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/danmark-har-hemmelige-domm...

Of course the court sessions in this case are not open to the public on request of the prosecutor. The defense has declared that it wants to let the public in, but that the judges will most likely not agree to that.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by aerostable_slug »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #82
jonnybgood wrote: post #76

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Collection and analysis of intelligence on a US person by a US intelligence agency is subjected to the same laws no matter where it came from. There is no way around it. If GCHQ collected and NSA analyzed and used that intelligence in any way then the law regarding US persons applies. I'm not aware of anywhere in the law that makes exceptions for these cases.

There is a way around it for people subject to a background investigation. The 4A gets suspended for them by EO12333. Technically not "the law" but you don't see Congress doing anything about executive overreach.

You choose to get a clearance. You choose to allow investigators access to protected health records. None of it is done without consent; it's effectively at the applicant's request.

Don't like it? Don't apply for a job that requires a clearance.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by aerostable_slug »

trasz wrote: post #83
skinkestek wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is also the west vs China. Although not Westerners against Chinese (my kids are welcome to play with the Chinese kids next door and the Chinese next door are just as welcome as any other neighbor to a garden party). But it should be the world against crimes against humanity. And then we Westerners will also have to clean up our own systems; that is just as important, but a smaller task.

It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?

Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise.

We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to education due to rampant cheating and the interests of the central government (to look as good as possible regardless of the facts), but that is a separate conversation.

At the current rate, all ~13 million Uighurs in mainland China will effectively cease to exist in a generation or three. They'll still exist in genetic terms, but their culture will have been erased except for small pockets of holdouts, who will be hunted down and assimilated/imprisoned. This isn't to minimize the death toll of the War on Terror, but rather to not allow seriously bad actors to escape the scrutiny they deserve.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by trasz »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #95
trasz wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not China who killed million random civilians in the Middle East. Was there a more severe crime against humanity in the past two decades?

Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to educat…

Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by goto11 »

vintermann wrote: post #46
hutzlibu wrote: post #24

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Do you have more information, than what is written in that article? Because I see your conclusion only as a vague possible hypothesis among many other options. And intelligence services are by default usually into very grey, if not dark areas of ethics. So all this might just as well be an internal power struggle of which the public will only get to view a very distorted picture, of what was actually going on.

Not really. He's charged with leaking to the media. There's only one story that's been recently leaked to the media: The one about helping NSA to spy on domestic and allied political leaders. Intelligence agencies can only wish they were able to distort the picture for the public reliably, and frequently mess things up. So the most likely explanation is the obvious, apparent one: He was shocked at the extent of the f…

> There's only one story that's been recently leaked to the media: The one about helping NSA to spy on domestic and allied political leaders.

Actually several (apparently unrelated) stories have been leaked. One story about an intelligence operative who have been jailed for joining ISIS undercover, and one about a potential security threat from children of ISIS-supporters in camps in Syria. The one about NSA mad a bigger splash outside of Denmark, but the other cases where arguably more embarrassing for the Danish government.

Re: Danish intelligence chief held over suspected info leaks, local media report

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Post by aerostable_slug »

trasz wrote: post #96
aerostable_slug wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rwanda would come really, really close. It's arguably worse because those people weren't collateral damage — their deaths were the point of the exercise. We don't know how many people have died as a direct result of Chinese internal policies and we likely never will. They certainly cannot be believed with any statements about human rights, imprisonment, or executions on any level. I would likely extend that to educat…

Why are Uighurs going to “cease” given their population is steadily increasing? And how is their culture eradicated when there are government programs to help it, and it’s being taught in schools?

What are you talking about? The central government even banned a list of popular names to give newborns (sorry Muhammad, you can't have Muhammad Jr.).

They are being culturally blunted and they will likely eventually be bred out of being a distinct group.

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-we... https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-international-news-pr... https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_c... https://share.america.gov/china-coerces-uyghur-women-into-un...

The latter two links are indeed .gov propaganda outlets, but their reporting on this issue is accurate. It's very easy to find more sources.

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