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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by adnmcq999 »

sodality2 wrote: post #76
annexrichmond wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this take is a little extreme. I grew up in a very small town. You couldn’t get to the city without driving 30 minutes to a bus stop. I didn’t like it very much, and really looked forward to moving to a city. However, there were a plethora of parks, ponds, baseball and basketball courts, skateboarding parks, and an ice rink nearby that were somewhat walkable. Yeah I spent a little too much time on the compute…

The issue is that it's too easy to forgo all of that and scroll through tiktok for 12+ hours a day, per day (school days included). I'm not exaggerating with that number, either. When you literally have nothing else to do, you'll find something enriching to do. But when there's an easy, lazy outlet, kids will go to that. We literally cannot say the same about kids a few decades ago, either. No one spent every waking…

So will adults. We’re here on hn

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by usrusr »

tootahe45 wrote: post #33
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #20

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This is a bad take. At most, Covid was a wealth transfer from governments and middle-class to many lucky corporations and wealthy investors. But in reality, everyone is suffering. Let's say the opposite reaction happened and we prioritized heathy youths over vulnerable seniors. There would have been orders of magnitude more deaths by now, society would have collapsed in some places temporarily or permanently as healt…

Is it really a bad take? my parents & aunt had 28,34% gains respectively on the value of their main properties in just 1 year. I'm going to have to pay for that (or settle for a lot less living space) if i want to own anything here in the future. Definitely feels like a wealth transfer.

Yeah, inflation tends do that. The pandemic has been good fuel for inflation and continues to do so, but the fire would have burnt anyways. The fire is monetary policy trying to force growth no matter what. And why is growth forced? Because it's the only way to allow the poor to slightly improve without questioning the endless accumulation of the wealthy.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by nosuchthing »

colordrops wrote: post #60
dagmx wrote: post #48

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This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

Long Covid is understood better now as an autoimmune disease that comes from even mild cases.

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-can-trigger-s...

This is in addition to worse damage that occurs throughout the body to any ACE2 cell, which are found in the brain along with the entire cardiovascular system and every other major organ in the body.

Hospitalizations in children are rising this year because last year they were out of school and NPI safety was much higher than 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-omicron-variant...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/number-babies-toddlers...

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-warning-sym...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/school-children-us-covid-hospit...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/07/210716112443.h...

https://twitter.com/rafalab/status/1477302949604995075

https://twitter.com/jneill/status/1476253591677587456

https://mobile.twitter.com/jneill/status/1479066859270025219

117,000 children now living with long Covid +40,000 more than October

20,000 children for longer than a year +6,000 more than October

Children crossing 12,000 children have their "activity limited a lot" +4,000 more than October

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dagmx »

colordrops wrote: post #60
dagmx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

Vaccines don't absolutely prevent infection. By the time the vaccines were out, we were already in a second wave with Delta which dramatically reduced the efficacy. Why should teachers, or anyone for that matter, be willing to risk their health? As a society, we treat too many people and jobs as literally expendable.

You also don't address how children can be carriers even if covid doesn't affect them directly. Child vaccines only recently became available, which reduces the infection possibility and therefore the ability to pass it on. By that time , omicron was a thing and has mutated enough that the vaccines aren't as effective to curtail spread.

The flu is significantly less spreadable/fatal than covid. People bringing this comparison up in 2022 are either wilfully ignorant or disingenuous.

Studies on long term risk to children have just started (1) so numbers are unavailable, but covid has already shown to have long term effects in some children as per my link in the other post

1. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/long-term-stud...

All these anti lockdown comments tend to be the same, ignoring network effect and falsely trivializing the risk factor. Comparing to the flu is just ridiculous, and has been debunked over and over and over.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by sirspacey »

rhizome wrote: post #22

I think one thing that will make the history books is how little innovation or adaptation there was in educational technology, rendering a truly depressing set of prospects for learning over the pandemic. A lot of companies have made a LOT of money in edutech going back to the 90s CDROM days and what do students get when the system escapes these companies's grasp and students need some real imagination put to the mat…

Having started an edtech startup & had many friends do the same

I promise you, it is not the companies who are failing to deliver innovative in education

They cannot survive the way schools decide how to buy software - I.e. district level admins are the only ones with decision making power.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by dagmx »

nosuchthing wrote: post #93
colordrops wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

Long Covid is understood better now as an autoimmune disease that comes from even mild cases. https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-can-trigger-s... This is in addition to worse damage that occurs throughout the body to any ACE2 cell, which are found in the brain along with the entire cardiovascular system and every other major organ in the body. Hospitalizations in children are rising this year because last…

Fantastic answer. Thank you.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pyoeos »

refurb wrote: post #75
Shikadi wrote: post #49

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I don't think the reaction was hysterical, the united States ranks 14 out of over 200 countries for most deaths to COVID per capita, and we don't even have high population density.

NYC just released data that shows 50% of those hospitalized and Covid positive, were not admitted for Covid, but another condition . Makes you wonder about deaths counts too?

Considering how drastic the excess deaths of 2020 and 2021 are relative to previous years, I have a decent amount of faith in the number of deaths reported to be caused by covid.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

colordrops wrote: post #60
dagmx wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shows a gross misunderstanding of viruses. 1. Children don't exist in a vacuum. Even if they don't become symptomatic, they can still be a carrier and they can still infect adults that they're in contact with. Should teachers be sacrificing themselves? Should families isolate their children within the house? 2. It's a low risk to healthy children. What do you do for children with other health complications? Amer…

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

>2. It's low risk to almost ALL children.

What do we do if their parents end up unable to work due to long term COVID or worse their parents die? https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/9bhg-hcku?mobile_redirect=true 30-64yo are a significant percentage of total deaths. 30-55 is probably a reasonable age range for parents with dependent children.

>3. Please present evidence of long term effect in a non-negligible percentage of children

You realise we are still going through the pandemic right? There is no long term data either way anywhere because we have to live through it first.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by roenxi »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #84
colordrops wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. There should have been and were lockdowns early in the pandemic. Once vaccines were available teachers should be ready to teach, just like every other worker that interfaces with people. At least teachers see the same people every day unlike grocery store clerks. 2. It's low risk to almost ALL children. The hospitalization rates of children have been around 1 per 1 million at peak infection periods. This is no wor…

You're only focusing on the children, while the post to which you're responding explicitly calls out that they are only a part of the entire system. The fact that they don't get really sick or are asymptomatic is actually really bad when you're trying to reduce transmission.

Prompting the obvious questions (which I don't think have clear answers): How much do we think that it reduced transmission? How much transmission reduction is needed to justify knocking a year of socialising out of of a child's life?
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