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Baffling neurological illness affects growing number of young adults

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Re: Baffling neurological illness affects growing number of young adults

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It's not obesity alone. All of our food contains an excessive amount of salt.

Japan does just fine with a higher salt consumption than the US and has the highest life expectancy in the world.

Isn’t the implication obesity + high salt content?

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Seems more likely the old mines in the area are causing the contamination with BMAA and that it is being consumed in shellfish. BMAA contamination is often associated with old flooded mine shafts, and there are several in the area where these people are getting sick, most of them upstream. Not sure why you're assuming this has anything to do with climate change. What could be the link there?

I do wish that "climate change" was not lumped into every environmental concern. For example, if painting one of the blades black on a windmill means the birds don't fly into it and die, then let's do it! Connecting it to a larger climate battle in order to win that war ("See wind power doesn't have that downside anymore, so more wind power to fight climate change") only gets in the way of solving the immediate probl…

Cyanobacteria blooms are a cause of BMAA accumulation, and are very much linked to global warming.

Solving the immediate problem is nice but knowing about the root cause is absolutely important.

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This was previously discussed on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28979532 The linked article is about how NB went out of their way to shut out federal investigators. If it’s environmental, it’s possible the NB government is trying to cover it up. This is also briefly touched on in this article: > The scientist said teams are ready to begin the research, but “New Brunswick has specifically told us not to go f…

That signals a splendid research candidate.

…for a large legal firm. The science would be interesting too.

Re: Baffling neurological illness affects growing number of young adults

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>> But in January, the province of New Brunswick is widely expected to announce that the cluster of cases, first made public last year after a memo was leaked to the media, is the result of misdiagnoses, which have mistakenly grouped unrelated illnesses together. If they want to say that, I think they are obligated to also provide the correct diagnosis. I hate when people say "we know it's not X" without proof and wi…

I'm not sure about this case, but wouldn't it be okay to say something like that if none of the diagnostic criteria for a disease are met?

They can't say that, because their point is that these are all existing diseases, so for that point to be true they'd have to meet the criteria.

Re: Baffling neurological illness affects growing number of young adults

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Interesting what happens when doctors no longer work for you, but can only work for the government monopoly.

Private clinics and practices exist in large numbers in Canada. Apparently, they aren't interested in helping.

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Interesting what happens when doctors no longer work for you, but can only work for the government monopoly.

This is an annoying indirection in this discussion. Doctors working for everyone also means they work for the highest bidder. Remember the tabaco industry in the US and the doctors literally advertising it? How about doctors near areas of chemical spills getting $£€¥ from the companies to keep quiet about them? How about the opioid crisis that has killed thousands of Americans? Yeah. So, if you want to bring up a mis…

You're right, and the worst is that private clinics and practices are allowed in Canada, and they have no interest in getting involved with this.

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> a great narrative for profits Pollution from Soviet collective farms isn't any better.

Does that not still boil down to profits? Political, financial or something else the system demanded?

No, "something the system demands" is not a useful definition of anything. "The system" demands people have food to eat. Survival is not profit in any meaningful sense.

The parent used the term profits to distinguish free-market and state-controlled activities, and to assert that state-controlled food production has historically been just as environmentally damaging.

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Does that not still boil down to profits? Political, financial or something else the system demanded?

No, "something the system demands" is not a useful definition of anything. "The system" demands people have food to eat. Survival is not profit in any meaningful sense. The parent used the term profits to distinguish free-market and state-controlled activities, and to assert that state-controlled food production has historically been just as environmentally damaging.

Consider what I was replying to, which laid pollution at the doorstep of profits.

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Environmental pollution is everywhere industrial capitalism is Also where industrial communism was? Where industrial democratic socialism is? Wouldn't it be more accurate to just say: where industrial humans are or have been?

Well that's a nitpicking argument which depends on your definitions. From what i understand, what you call "communism" i call "State capitalism" and what you call "democratic socialism" i call "liberal capitalism". Under all these systems, there's privileges: people who have more and people who have less, while communism is usually defined as a stateless/classless society (including by marxists). > Wouldn't it be mor…

> But capitalism as a social structure incentivizes not to care because there's no (immediate) profit involved in respecting your environment

Ok. So what are the viable political/economic alternatives?

Re: Baffling neurological illness affects growing number of young adults

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Seems obviously BMAA but clearly the government don’t want to say so because it will destroy the lobster industry. We should all be terrified of BMAA and it’s here because of climate change. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190124110834.h... Climate change is making the oceans and fresh water toxic and very deadly. We’ve seriously fucked the earth. Have you ever heard weasel words more reminiscent of a c…

Seems more likely the old mines in the area are causing the contamination with BMAA and that it is being consumed in shellfish. BMAA contamination is often associated with old flooded mine shafts, and there are several in the area where these people are getting sick, most of them upstream. Not sure why you're assuming this has anything to do with climate change. What could be the link there?

I'd point out that the mechanism you're proposing is itself an anthropogenic change in the environment. We've altered more than just the atmosphere of this planet. Their overall point, "we've effed this planet, and I believe that's caused this specific problem," would still hold, whether or not they were sufficiently precise with their language.

The ways we've "effed" the planet are so numerous and interconnected that it makes sense, at least to me, to lump them together into an umbrella term everyone is familiar with. There is no clean separation between our mining practices and what has happened to the water and what has happened to the atmosphere - they are intimately related.

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