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Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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Alternate answer: No, the manifacturing cost of the gpu stays relatively the same, greedy sellers increase price because of the increased demand. It's not like they wouldn't make profit on regular prices.

So your theory is that sellers weren’t greedy before?

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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I work in deep learning and had to camp out in front of a best buy to get my hands on some 3090s. A good portion of the people in line with me were crypto miners who were waiting to get more GPUs to add to their collection because they're making money on each one and as long as it's profitable it makes perfect sense for them to buy up more.

I was told that the Nvidia Tesla cards are easier to buy.

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better an AI researcher or scientist get one of these cards than some scumbag miner.

I’m annoyed as the next guy that my deep-learning rigs are costing 5 figures, but “scumbag” might be a little strong for people who arbitrage NVIDIA’s repeated failures to effectively segment their GPU offering?

No I think it's fair, unless they heat up their bedroom while mining.

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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post #72

I work in deep learning and had to camp out in front of a best buy to get my hands on some 3090s. A good portion of the people in line with me were crypto miners who were waiting to get more GPUs to add to their collection because they're making money on each one and as long as it's profitable it makes perfect sense for them to buy up more.

I was told that the Nvidia Tesla cards are easier to buy.

Not at best buy they're not.

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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post #84

Not sure why they mention Bitcoin throughout, afaik no one is using GPUs for Bitcoin anymore, ASIC miners like Bitmain's S19 thoroughly dominate.

Bitcoin is the biggest crypto currency and uses proof of work. As mentioned in the conclusion, ASICs use the same resources as GPUs. This can have an effect on GPU prices. Additionally bitcoin is still the "gold standard" and most crypto currencies follow the price development of bitcoin.

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the matter of price, i don't care what other buyers do with their purchased goods. I care how the seller treats the customer. If we were to discuss other aspects of mining then yes, i would point to other greedy participants in this chain

If a seller has limited capacity to produce, is it better for a motivated buyer to be able to buy one, albeit at a price higher than they’d like? Or is it better if the price is what all buyers would like, but many motivated buyers can’t get one at all? Neither is perfectly “right”; it’s a direct trade off between “they’re available if you want one” and “they’re as inexpensive as you’ve come to expect from history”.

My personal answer on this question is the later. Price stays the same. Eventually the produced products will get into some people's hands. The only difference is how much of their money will end up in the seller's pocket. The motivation you have doesn't scale linearly with the amount of money you can spend. Eg you may have very poor people who would make great use of product X and are very motivated, but they can't grt their hands on it because it is too expensive for them. See the health/surgery industry as a great example.

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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post #96
post #84

Not sure why they mention Bitcoin throughout, afaik no one is using GPUs for Bitcoin anymore, ASIC miners like Bitmain's S19 thoroughly dominate.

Bitcoin is the biggest crypto currency and uses proof of work. As mentioned in the conclusion, ASICs use the same resources as GPUs. This can have an effect on GPU prices. Additionally bitcoin is still the "gold standard" and most crypto currencies follow the price development of bitcoin.

Do you think Bitmain is winning bids for fab capacity against Nvidia/AMD? I guess their newest miner is slated to be on 5nm...

Re: Are cryptocurrencies to blame for high GPU prices?

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> Bitcoin miners rarely use GPUs anymore, but ASICs Seeing the title and the conclusions, how can this be the case? Computationally they're not much behind ASICs per $, are much more broadly available to buy and are easier to sell when needed.

Anyone who buys a GPU second-hand is an idiot. They would have been running at maximum silicon temperature 24/7 with the result of massive wear.

It really doesn’t work that way. They don’t have moving parts (except the fan which is easily replaced); the question is electron migration and heat related problems. If they’re kept well-cooled they could have another ten years in them.
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