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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by bhickey »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #36
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

The vaccines do work by diminishing severity of symptoms and thus reducing rate of hospitalization. The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This social and financial pressure is placed on individuals because urban…

> The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree.

Vaccination reduces the infection rate. [0] You can't transmit the virus if you aren't infected in the first place. Other studies have shown that people with breakthrough infections have a shorter period in which they can transmit.

[0] BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine in a Nationwide Mass Vaccination Setting https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2101765

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by simonh »

tdrdt wrote: post #32
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

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This is obvious dangerous rubbish. Most people contracting the virus don’t do so in offices anyway, so this can’t possibly be true even if it eliminated office transmission completely.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by kitd »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #36
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

The vaccines do work by diminishing severity of symptoms and thus reducing rate of hospitalization. The unvaccinated are banned as means to put social and financial pressure on individuals to get the vaccine. It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree. This social and financial pressure is placed on individuals because urban…

It is an unfortunate misconception that any of the currently-approved intramuscular vaccines reduce transmission to a meaningful degree.

Vaccines absolutely do reduce transmission from the vaccinated outward.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/22...

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by groundhogday3 »

PopeUrbanX wrote: post #30

Good. Take away their free healthcare, too, so that they stop taking up ICU beds that smarter people might need.

The healthcare isn't free. It is paid for through taxation. They have paid into the same healthcare system (through taxation) as everyone else and should be entitled to the care.

Draconian measures such as what you suggest just make people more suspicious of authority not less.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by roganp »

NoblePublius wrote: post #46
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

If nearly %100 of the nba is vaccinated, then it's more likely that the break thru cases will outnumber the cases on the un-vaccinated, even if the vaccine is very effective at preventing infection. The vaccine does not need to be %100 effective for it to make sense from a public policy perspective.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by decebalus1 »

NoblePublius wrote: post #46
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

So is the WA state data invalid/faked/wrong? I mean this is literally a handful of anecdotes vs the department of health's data. Data showing similar results as in both nationwide and other countries (global level conspiracy I guess?). It's like me saying 'I can't believe for a second that Biden won the elections because everyone I know voted for Trump'

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by peteradio »

jashmatthews wrote: post #71
crisdux wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's dramatically effective in reducing spread. Unvaccinated people are driving 85-90% of the spread in Germany. https://rocs.hu-berlin.de/publication/maier-2021-germany/

Pre-omicron.
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