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How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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This is broken thinking built on faulty assumptions. There are countless examples of massive conspiracies and secrets never leaking.

Can you provide some? I have previously only heard "santa".

Sure, I do contracting work for the military. There are hundreds of millions of secrets kept every day with hundreds of thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. Leaking is exceedingly rare.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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Your analysis seems to overlook an important detail in that first bullet point - dictionary attacks are only feasible when the KDF is fast. Authentication servers tend to require the KDF to be fast so they aren't constantly performing a denial of service attack on themselves. What people are looking for is a way to make the combined KDF slow by pushing most of the work to the client side. If this succeeds, you have m…

This is an interesting point. I'd be inclined to ensure that the server side hash is still at least independently expensive enough as would be desirable for plain text, but then using the client side hash to go above and beyond computationally seems reasonable to me. I would wonder though -- there's obviously a practical limit on user experience for waiting for computation, and is there really fast enough implementat…

Yeah, I can't really justify using this in browsers because their capabilities vary so widely. Logging in shouldn't take 10 minutes on a 5-year-old feature phone.

But I can see using a split KDF for some high-security system where the clients all have a known minimum spec.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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post #89

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Can you provide some? I have previously only heard "santa".

Sure, I do contracting work for the military. There are hundreds of millions of secrets kept every day with hundreds of thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. Leaking is exceedingly rare.

The military has a much bigger threat of prison for yourself than a company that the investors sue

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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So this blog seems to completely ignores LastPass statement from 2021-12-28: > Our investigation has since found that some of these security alerts, which were sent to a limited subset of LastPass users, were likely triggered in error. As a result, we have adjusted our security alert systems and this issue has since been resolved. Source: https://blog.lastpass.com/2021/12/unusual-attempted-login-ac... Source2: https:…

I'm curious how that balances with everyone sharing random IP's from attempted account access. Where did those addresses come from? Why are users seeing them? Did the bug they're talking about cause bad data to be pushed to users dashboards?

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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Sure, I do contracting work for the military. There are hundreds of millions of secrets kept every day with hundreds of thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. Leaking is exceedingly rare.

The military has a much bigger threat of prison for yourself than a company that the investors sue

Oh absolutely. My point was strictly the assumption that many people can’t keep secrets. Depending on ideology, reprisals, or personal ethics (good and bad), secrets can be kept by a startlingly large group of people.

I’ve seen estimates as high as 10% of the population of east Germany were spying on their neighbors.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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post #89

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Can you provide some? I have previously only heard "santa".

Sure, I do contracting work for the military. There are hundreds of millions of secrets kept every day with hundreds of thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. Leaking is exceedingly rare.

You have not provided any evidence or examples, just a “trust me”, which is essentially worthless. Also, there is a difference between a secret and a conspiracy. Secrets can survive for a long time, whereas history suggests that conspiracies rarely, if ever, succeed long term.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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The military has a much bigger threat of prison for yourself than a company that the investors sue

Oh absolutely. My point was strictly the assumption that many people can’t keep secrets. Depending on ideology, reprisals, or personal ethics (good and bad), secrets can be kept by a startlingly large group of people. I’ve seen estimates as high as 10% of the population of east Germany were spying on their neighbors.

I agree. Humans like sharing things, even if they shouldn't. We're bad at keeping secrets. I was just making the point that your claim of leaks in the military isn't necessarily comparable to a leak about a company. You do have a point about the large numbers of service members - that would raise the chances of something happening.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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So this blog seems to completely ignores LastPass statement from 2021-12-28: > Our investigation has since found that some of these security alerts, which were sent to a limited subset of LastPass users, were likely triggered in error. As a result, we have adjusted our security alert systems and this issue has since been resolved. Source: https://blog.lastpass.com/2021/12/unusual-attempted-login-ac... Source2: https:…

Well...the word "likely" is a weasel word and not very comforting.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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Use client TLS certificates and let the browser handle credential management, including at-rest encryption. Or use FIDO2 hardware. There are many options available but for probably familiarity reasons the vast majority of users and browsers didn't go down that path, and neither did website owners.

I've only seen client certs used in contexts where an IT department assigns them to employees. Has anyone had success with these on public facing websites? Extra hardware seem cool, but I've also rarely seen people using them. I'm guessing the added cost is a deterrent.

before the current wave of password managers most people didnt use more than one password. they made it easy enough for people to use. now theyre everywhere. the things you list above are the new oddball ui issues, smooth them out a but amd people will use them too.

Re: How did LastPass master passwords get compromised?

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That statement is too squirrelly for me to trust if my passwords were stored with them. “SOME of these security alerts” “were LIKELY triggered” “HAS BEEN solved” (Emphasis mine) How can the issue be definitely solved if you aren’t sure that they were actually triggered in error, if they were in error then it’s only some of them.

It's easy for me to imagine how you get here. - Eng are still writing the postmortem - Marketing want to put out a statement - Eng know or suspect a bug exists that can trigger spurious notifications, but don't have sufficient logs to be able to reconstruct if that bug was in fact in play in production - Legal advises not to say anything definitive that they can't stand behind later I don't see any of that as particu…

Be that as it may, which I have my doubts about since they are quite definitive about the problem being solved, I don't want a PR filter from the company that I would trust with my passwords.

What I want to know is have I been compromised or not, the PR saves face at further expense of users (if they truly have been compromised).

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