Browse the web like its 1999

Post by squarefoot » Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 3:36 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #89

hulitu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse Yes they can emulate a whole OS. It's browsing at what they suck. Seconds wasted for TLS handshake, seconds wasted on downloading MB of JS, then realizing content is missing, another TLS handshake, another download, then some ads, some tracking scripts and finaly the page is displayed. O…

> then some ads, some tracking scripts Well, these at least are fixable. The web is unusable without uBlock Origin and NoScript.

Post by vaylian » Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 3:42 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #31

shp0ngle wrote: post #14

This just makes me angry. Browsers are now so fast and capable that you can emulate whole OS with another browser in them, which you can then use to browse . So why does half of the websites in 2021 feel so sluggish? GMail, which was famous for loading fast, sometimes takes forever to load. I need to wait minutes when reading news websites while elements randomly jump around the page (seriously, why does pages do tha…

It's basically Parkinson's law. If someone is given NASA's resources to move a piece of paper across the room, they will find a way to use a space shuttle to do it and call you oldfashioned for doing it by hand.

Post by shukantpal » Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 3:58 PM UTC

MatmaRex wrote: post #60

michalstanko wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't go as far as calling it an "IE", because those of us who lived through that know it was a completely different experience. But yes, Safari is slow in implementing new features a bit and it does get annoying from time to time. But it's nowhere near the IE hell from ~2000 - 2008.

It totally is. I used to write custom CSS for IE to make drop shadows work (it didn't support the standard syntax). Now I write custom CSS for Safari to make drop shadows work (there's a bug where if you remove the node, its shadow sometimes stays behind).

Post by iamstupidsimple » Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 4:02 PM UTC

dmitriid wrote: post #74

majani wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. This is also happening in gaming, where 2D pixel art platformers are now above 1GB in size https://store.steampowered.com/app/504230/Celeste/ https://apps.apple.com/us/app/castlevania-grimoire-of-souls/... When the hardware was restricted, such games used to be squeezed onto a 48MB SNES cartridge

It's a bit unfair because modern pixel art games are literally nothing like old pixel art games. For one, the resolution has gone from 400x300 to ~3000x1500 and more, and the number of color went from 8 to millions. All those pixels in high-res pixel art have to still be stored somewhere. Even though I still agree that some games do not deserve to be as fat as they are.

Post by jazzyjackson » Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #69

p_l wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider typical Medium blog post. If by chance you block certain actions, you'll see it spin ridiculous amount of CPU, trying to sent tracking data all the time over graphql. Some tracking systems injected (often without developer involvement, using so-called tag managers) will send your mouse position and clicks. Through tag managers, you can easily end up loading 50 different scripts, often compiled with attendant…

I guess. The fact is, modern javascript is FAST. And with http3, and compression, you can make things load really REALLY fast. Much faster than in 1994! And you have things like tree shaking where you can make the js tiny. Not speaking about wasm, that’s even faster, or putting things to web workers. Modern CSS is so easy to use. And of course CDNs are nowadays all around the globe. Chrome debugging tools are pretty…