Live data from Hacker News

54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

en.wikipedia.org

91–100 of 222 posts

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#91

Based on the level of reading and writing comprehension in the average HN thread, I would say we should practice more humility than I'm seeing in this thread so far.

Agreed. The Reddit discussion on this is full of anecdotes, questions, first had experiences with the school system and how this happens, etc.

HN? Attack the article. And that’s the nicest comments, the ones that don’t attack the people with reading issues.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#92
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Leaving asides the offense/racist grandparent comments, the worship of money is what has made America prosperous, and what still allows us to get the best and the brightest. Ask "them enlightened" Europeans (or Australians or...) how much they make, and rejoice we get to live a prosperous life here in America! And no, before someone says "but what about universal healthcare?", health insurance doesn't count, because…

> health insurance doesn’t count, because if you work at a normal job, you get tha

Plenty of normal jobs without health insurance. Only 71% of private industry employees have health care benefits available. [0]

[0] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ebs2.pdf

> the ER never refuses anyone

The ER is only required to screen for and, if found, stabilize emergency medical conditions. For many health conditions, by the time something is an emergency, its too late to do much. This mandate is important, but it doesn’t substitute for having insurance for proper medical care.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony is that HN posters are vehemently against social media, particularly FB. The reasons I’ve read are all about the general negativity, pessimism, false information, etc. While HN submissions are generally held to a higher standard, the general comments/discussions are equally toxic. Apparently FB is such a cancer and everyone else is such a problem - but we’re actually part of the problem.

I genuinely don't get what civil discourse is supposed to achieve. Discourse should be no holds barred. If your points can't stand unfiltered scrutiny maybe they're not as solid as you think. I consider HN somewhere between 4chan and reddit. People here are actually smart (unlike reddit, which appears to attract angsty teenagers more than anything) and willing to engage in discussions outside of the status quo. It's…

I prefer civility so we can try to have a discussion free of distractions.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#94
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, it is interesting to look at questions that most people failed. Apparently in the 2003 round of evaluations only 16% of participants could answer the question "What is the purpose of the Se Habla Espanol expo?" after reading this short magazine article. https://nces.ed.gov/NAAL/sample_imgtxtequiv.asp?Imageid=164

I would question how many people "failed" to answer this question because of poor literacy versus a lack of domain knowledge in the subject matter. The article is full of sales and marketing jargon that most people -- in my experience -- just don't have experience with.

It has the same fundamental problem as standardized tests that frame questions around how many polo ponies Alistair and Theodora have at their summer stables. Some people are disadvantages by having just literally no idea what the passage is talking about.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#95
post #15

Looking at the original PIAAC data source ( https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/skillsmap/ ), it looks like the level one or below counties are pretty strongly correlated with proximity to the southern border... How many of those people were educated in the US system, or are eligible to vote? Also, in the future maybe submit the primary data source, rather than a Wikipedia link that cites a Forbes article?

In the USA in virtually all cases where a study says some population metric is changing the actual correct interpretation is that it’s the population itself that’s changing. If you control for that the trends look very different.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#96
post #82

In California, Many schools in Califonia use an unproven/inferior method/curriculum for teaching literacy, based on the work of F&P.[1] [0] https://caaspp-elpac.cde.ca.gov/caaspp/DashViewReport?ps=tru... [1] https://www.apmreports.org/story/2021/11/19/fountas-pinnell-...

If less than half of 8th grades can't read, should it maybe, just maybe mean it's time for spelling reform? It's baffling, that you need a method and something special for such a basic thing as reading.

"It's baffling, that you need a method and something special"

Spanish has almost perfectly logical spelling. I mean: given a sound, there's one way to write it. And, given an unknown written word, there's one way to pronounce it.

Even if English were to have these two properties:

- we would still need a method for teaching reading

- it would be possible for more than one method to exist

- it would be likely that one method would be generally better than all other methods

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#97
post #82

In California, Many schools in Califonia use an unproven/inferior method/curriculum for teaching literacy, based on the work of F&P.[1] [0] https://caaspp-elpac.cde.ca.gov/caaspp/DashViewReport?ps=tru... [1] https://www.apmreports.org/story/2021/11/19/fountas-pinnell-...

If less than half of 8th grades can't read, should it maybe, just maybe mean it's time for spelling reform? It's baffling, that you need a method and something special for such a basic thing as reading.

No, vei nid to do al the saim drujeri bicoz ze jenerashon befor vem had to :)

Olso, zis kaind of speling luks strainj to old pipl.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#99
post #53

Wikipedia happily reports that North Korea has a 100% adult proficient literacy rate. Cuba has a 99.9% rate. Brazil 98%, all leaps and bounds beyond any western country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_... The US is certainly behind much of the world in education, but these metrics are really hard gauge accurately. Diving in to where these numbers come from and how they compare to the rest…

>Wikipedia happily reports that North Korea has a 100% adult proficient literacy rate. Cuba has a 99.9% rate. Brazil 98%, all leaps and bounds beyond any western country.

Spain is right there in the table you linked, with their 98%. And what's common in countries you listed is not untrustworthy regime, but writing system that allows to easily achieve those numbers of literacy in their respective native languages.

Sure, poverty and attitudes matter, but achieving literacy in some languages just doesn't need that much of effort and privilege.

Re: 54% of adults in the United States have prose literacy below the 6th-grade level

#100

I couldn't write a coherent sentence until I was 24 years old. A couple years after high school I discovered reading starting with "Cannery Row" however it still took significant effort to learn to write despite thousands of hours of reading. Once I understood the basic mechanics of grammar, fitting words into meaningful structures became second nature. I still can't spell the word coherent without assistance from a…

> People are hostile when I say there isn't such a thing as a learning disability but rather only teaching disabilities.

People are probably hostile because you're going against scientific consensus and saying a range of disabilities that affects millions of people doesn't exist.

Post reply on HN