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2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by mirkules »

azinman2 wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #44

Own a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taki…

We test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?

Same here. I needed a larger car that can seat my family of five (3 kids). Everyone was cramped, the visibility was poor, especially with everyone in the car and I just can’t get over having the dashboard in the center. It’s a shame because I really love the acceleration, I love the technology, and I would love having an electric car. Model X would be a great fit, but not for a 6 figure price.

In the end I got a Subaru Ascent, which is a better overall fit for my family than the Y, but I’m not excited about it like I am a Tesla. It’s basically a glorified minivan (actually, it’s even a little less utilitarian than our Odyssey).

But there are some exciting new electric cars and vans coming, and I’m really looking forward to the next generation of electrics!

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by clouddrover »

ajross wrote: post #88
azinman2 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it objectively better to have less rear visibility? Note you can have both excellent rear AND cameras/sensors. Do you not feel its tiny when driving on the freeway?

> Why is it objectively better to have less rear visibility? Because it's an artifact of the tapered afterbody that makes the cars the most energy-efficient on the road. Teslas beat every other EV on range, and the tiny handful of cars that do better (Lucid Air being the most notable) do so with significantly larger batteries. Everything has tradeoffs. FWIW: a few years of driving a van in my youth cured me of relian…

> and the tiny handful of cars that do better (Lucid Air being the most notable) do so with significantly larger batteries

The Lucid Air does it with both a bigger battery and better efficiency.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by epgui »

rafale wrote: post #51
londons_explore wrote: post #45

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And optionally, a car company can choose to increase that $1M number to $5M or $10M or even higher, and is then given a star rating for doing so that they can use on marketing material.

You don't have a moral case for that kind of rule though. The end doesn't justify the mean. If a drunk person drives his Chevy through a crowd and kill 10 people, why would GM pay 10 millions? Our country was built on personal responsibility and accountability as core values. This applies to businesses by extension (business = shareholders). It's better to simply mandate a certain minimum. Seat belts, backup cameras…

You saying there is no moral case for it does not make it so.

I think the idea that was proposed is at least academically interesting to consider. If you can’t see why, maybe you should dig into why your moral values are what they are: what tradeoffs are you making?

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by ajross »

clouddrover wrote: post #92
ajross wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it objectively better to have less rear visibility? Because it's an artifact of the tapered afterbody that makes the cars the most energy-efficient on the road. Teslas beat every other EV on range, and the tiny handful of cars that do better (Lucid Air being the most notable) do so with significantly larger batteries. Everything has tradeoffs. FWIW: a few years of driving a van in my youth cured me of relian…

> and the tiny handful of cars that do better (Lucid Air being the most notable) do so with significantly larger batteries The Lucid Air does it with both a bigger battery and better efficiency.

I think the Air is sort of the exception that proves the rule. Though it's also early and independent verification on production vehicles is still in the future. They're only barely shipping right now.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by maxdo »

gameswithgo wrote: post #90
foobarian wrote: post #86

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I got a Ford Escape 2014 a while ago. I needed something cheap and decent enough. I don't love it, and I don't spend much time on it. It has never had issues in spite of common jokes about Found On the Road Dead which I think may be behind the times. The thing about a large volume manufacturer with a developed dealer network is: when someone backed into it in a grocery store parking lot and destroyed the bumper, I th…

with supply chain issues right now even a Ford may not have parts available at times. Tesla is definitely worse on average about service though still.

Tesla is the only car brand almost not affected by chip shortage. Because they adjust parts super fast. They will beat their production estimate in 2021. Ford service will never come to your home unlike tesla. Their service is far more superior to ford. Yes, if you have non critical issue it will be hard to get an appointment, but it's not tesla's fault. It's monopoly of dealership, and regulations. They not allowed to open as many services as they want.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by elif »

azinman2 wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #44

Own a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taki…

We test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?

The rearview mirror itself has a light filter which works in concert with the light filtered by the back window such that the interior of the car does not show up on the mirror, but everything coming through the window is perfectly clear.

So if you were looking at it going "this is too dark" it was probably misunderstanding a feature.

In terms of the amount of space you can see, it is sufficient.. but also the 3D rendering will give you a much better idea of what's behind you than any mirror.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by beepbooptheory »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #83
wfme wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't what the parent said. If the highest rating is set such that vehicles that achieve it demonstrate a high level of safety, it would then be preferable if all vehicle makers strived for this rating. Assuming you want to drive a safe vehicle, it would then also be preferable if this rating was also the most common since that would indicate that most vehicle makers are building vehicles with a high level of sa…

Actually it is what was being said, unless there is some horrible misunderstanding that achieving the highest rating in tests like this indicates that automobiles require no further safety improvements.

wfme expressed my sentiment well. I don't really know, but if, as you are implying, these tests aren't an assurance of safety, than that point stands even more!

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by maxdo »

azinman2 wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #44

Own a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taki…

We test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?

Model Y owner, visibility is definitely not an issue. If you used to drive an F150 maybe, but apart from that is very spacious car. I'm 6'3 and I have 6'4 friend in back of me with no issues. I can also do a camping mode in the car.

This is by far the best car I ever owned. It's nothing even to compare with. My friend bought 2 years old BMW, and I feel like there is a 10 years gap between bmw and tesla.

I guess you just biased against tesla. Check the videos about their car seats on youtube. they are one few companies that don't outsource Car seat production because of ergonomics.

Re: 2021-22 Tesla Model Y earns highest IIHS accolade

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Post by _ea1k »

azinman2 wrote: post #46
blhack wrote: post #44

Own a Y, and absolutely couldn’t explain how much I love this car. That said I am running into a complaint: somebody backed into me in a parking lot last week. The car is still mechanically fine, but with a damaged panel and bumper now. This is a bummer for me, since I’ve been meticulous about washing it, always parking at the end of the lot, etc. car detailing has actually become a hobby as a result of enjoying taki…

We test drove the Y and passed on it. We found the visibility out of the back poor, all the mirrors tiny, and the headrest also tiny and my head kept rolling off it. Do you not experience these problems?

The rear visibility came up a lot in reviews early on. After a day or so of driving, it becomes unnoticeable and doesn't actually cause a problem in practice. On top of that, you can turn on all three rear facing cameras while driving for amazing visibility.

I don't use the headrests, but I've found the seats to be amazingly comfortable on long road trips.

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