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Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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Or it could act as economic stimulus, as the exit dollars get invested in productive endeavours, rekt coiners have to get a job, and electricity and electronics become cheaper due to the capacity being freed from cryptomining.

As mining bitcoin is only worthwhile with ASICS there will be no flood of electronics entering the market at low prices, being used for something more "worthwhile". You could argue this is a feature and not a bug. I, as many people before me, thought about a cryptocurrency with a "useful" PoW like protein folding but if you would create such a thing it would be very susceptible to attack by govt or any big private ac…

The input resources used to create ASICs still would become available to be used to create other electronics, including other types of ASICs.

Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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I think these central banks really underestimate the Bitcoin maximalists. These people will hold and buy Bitcoin for the rest of their lives. Half of all Bitcoin hasn't been moved in 2+ years, despite multiple -50% moves. The price went from 20k to 2k and most wallets didn't even have a coin move from it.

If it never moves, that actually makes it worthless.

Gavin hypothesized a potential bitcoin future where all bitcoin becomes locked down on the main chain and doesn't move, with all the trading of bitcoin done on other chains.

[1] http://gavinandresen.ninja/a-possible-btc-future

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I see Bitcoin closer to the art market then to gold or a currency. There is de facto no universal rule for pricing a work of art other than what someone is willing to pay for it at auctions. As long as everyone assumes that artworks will be sold more expensive in the future and no one sells below the purchase price, the prices will rise - provided that the interest in it remains upright.

I wouldn't even go to art. But more of traditional collectible ala trading cards. Or maybe even coins. Were the value is the aftermarket.

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While it's still debatable whether crypto currencies are pure speculation vs. the new "gold" vs. a new currency that will kill the national ones - As a philosophical idea, can we at least agree that the inherent value of Bitcoin and the fundamental reason some people invest in it is... the beauty of mathematics?

Some people sure, but I'm not sure how big majority that still is. I believe currently it's value is greater fool theory.

Those who value it for mathematics, would likely value the state of the art cryptocurrencies more. As BTC really isn't any way special outside being the first one.

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If it never moves, that actually makes it worthless.

Gavin hypothesized a potential bitcoin future where all bitcoin becomes locked down on the main chain and doesn't move, with all the trading of bitcoin done on other chains. [1] http://gavinandresen.ninja/a-possible-btc-future

So will we end up with all the tricks of modern financial sector, just denominated in BTC instead of fiat?

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How do you deal with the notion of private property as a non-statist?

A minimalistic state with no central bank. The big issue is that fiat currencies are a design flaw that will make states only grow.

So basically, you don't. You need to pay the forces enforcing your property rights somehow, and with taxation comes comes either a large overhead as the state needs to basically become a Forex trading house to ensure it can pay in whatever wildcat currency is worth the most or to standardise to the numeraire used to pay the people with guns enforcing private property

Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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post #93

I see Bitcoin closer to the art market then to gold or a currency. There is de facto no universal rule for pricing a work of art other than what someone is willing to pay for it at auctions. As long as everyone assumes that artworks will be sold more expensive in the future and no one sells below the purchase price, the prices will rise - provided that the interest in it remains upright.

I wouldn't even go to art. But more of traditional collectible ala trading cards. Or maybe even coins. Were the value is the aftermarket.

so beanie babies

Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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While it's still debatable whether crypto currencies are pure speculation vs. the new "gold" vs. a new currency that will kill the national ones - As a philosophical idea, can we at least agree that the inherent value of Bitcoin and the fundamental reason some people invest in it is... the beauty of mathematics?

> the fundamental reason some people invest in it is... the beauty of mathematics? Bitcoin is full of ugly warts though. While some other coins featuring much more beauty (simplicity and elegance) are near worthless. Furthermore, most people speculating on bitcoin have a very limited understanding of the mathematics underlying bitcoin...

Understanding the underlying math is not required really. You may just believe crypto is pure math and its beautiful as such. Like, personally I don't fully understand it - never bothered to study tbh.

Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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post #94
post #67

While it's still debatable whether crypto currencies are pure speculation vs. the new "gold" vs. a new currency that will kill the national ones - As a philosophical idea, can we at least agree that the inherent value of Bitcoin and the fundamental reason some people invest in it is... the beauty of mathematics?

Some people sure, but I'm not sure how big majority that still is. I believe currently it's value is greater fool theory. Those who value it for mathematics, would likely value the state of the art cryptocurrencies more. As BTC really isn't any way special outside being the first one.

I wasn't clear, sorry. I'm not saying people may be investing because they appreciate the math. It's not about the motivation as much as it's about reconciliation, or let's say finding the common denominator in debates. On some abstract philosophical level we can all agree that because crypto currencies are pure math they are beautiful as such. Knowingly or not, people invest and trade the power and beauty of mathematics. Just a neat meta-idea, that's all.

Re: Bitcoin could become ‘worthless’, Bank of England warns

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I’ve heard this metaphor lots and find it super confusing. The price of art is still based on something - some art looks nice, or was made by someone famous.

I can get an exact copy of a piece of artwork, say the Mona Lisa, for like $20. It will look identical, maybe another $50 for a nice frame. What you are seeing is identical. The art market is not buying and selling pieces of artwork. It is for obfuscating money. Where the money came from, where and who the money is going to, how much is owed to or hidden from governments. Art is expensive because it makes it easier t…

What you are seeing may be identical, but you and everyone else knows it's not the one it appears to be. You are buying the label.

Why is the first production car worth more? A buyer won't know the difference between the 1st and the 5th past that tag. IMO the cost is driven mostly by rarity.

Of course what you pointed out is definitely a role in art, but I don't think it's the primary driving force

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