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Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by bambax »

masklinn wrote: post #19
jqpabc123 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By themselves, ads aren't the real problem --- personalized ads are the problem. The idea that they have to profile and track your every move all over the internet in order to try and sell you stuff you don't really want or need. Example: If I go to a pet supply web site, an ad for dog food is perfectly understandable --- maybe even welcomed. But just because I was profiled visiting and maybe even buying, I shouldn't…

> By themselves, ads aren't the real problem --- personalized ads are the problem. I don't even care about that, what gets my goat is that ads pileup significantly slow down pages and increase energy consumption; and sites still get plastered to unreadability.

Me neither. I don't want to see any ad, of any kind. And that's the case currently, on FF with uBock Origin. I never see an ad anywhere, ever, and if one slips through I can block it in the future.

I can't imagine anything different. I'm prepared to go to great lengths to preserve that status quo... although IDK exactly what those could be.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by whimsicalism »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #55
whimsicalism wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about ads that are personalized just based on actions you've taken on the site, not from tracking you around the internet?

This is context based advertising. It is not personalized in that it has nothing to do with who you are. It is only based on what you do on the site. DuckDuckGo has been pretty successful with context based advertising --- based simply on the terms you search for.

Well what if you have a profile on the site where you've put your interests or gender or something?

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by celsoazevedo »

vmception wrote: post #51
sva_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Chromium-based browsers also adopt this Manifestv3? If so, isn't Brave Chromium-based?

No they don’t, they manually merge code from upstream if they like it. Since Brave doesnt like it they wont merge it.

If Google makes enough changes that eventually makes it impossible to merge upstream code while maintaining compatibility with the old APIs, then Brave and everyone else will either be stuck with old and unpatched Chromium versions or they'll have to waste resources to keep things working.

Not everyone has the resources to maintain their own Chromium fork and it's not easy to keep up with Google, Microsoft, Samsung, etc. Just look at Firefox.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by jevoten »

krelian wrote: post #47
jqpabc123 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By themselves, ads aren't the real problem --- personalized ads are the problem. The idea that they have to profile and track your every move all over the internet in order to try and sell you stuff you don't really want or need. Example: If I go to a pet supply web site, an ad for dog food is perfectly understandable --- maybe even welcomed. But just because I was profiled visiting and maybe even buying, I shouldn't…

>For the individual consumer, there is nothing good about privacy invasion and personalized ads. That's not true. If I'm forced to see ads they might as well be personalized. Hell, sometimes (rarely, I'll admit) I even find some things that interest me, like new products or services. Personalized ads work, there is no way around it. What irks me about these complaints is not complaining about ads, we all know they ar…

> That's not true. If I'm forced to see ads they might as well be personalized.

Don't forget personalized prices, too. Or pushing on you the "premium" versions of products.

We show that personalized prices and advertising might boost firms’ profits in comparison to mass advertising and uniform prices, at the expense of consumer welfare. - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01677...

The Journal identified several companies, including Staples, Discover Financial Services, Rosetta Stone Inc.and Home Depot Inc., that were consistently adjusting prices and displaying different product offers based on a range of characteristics that could be discovered about the user. - https://lifehacker.com/how-web-sites-vary-prices-based-on-yo...

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by abyssin »

yuvadam wrote: post #71
miralize wrote: post #56

Time and time again I try to switch to Firefox. But it always seems to fall short (for me at least). I rely too much on separate profiles to disconnect work-related browsing from personal browsing. Separate bookmarks, sessions, browser plugins, sync preferences etc... A UI that's as powerful is literally all that is needed for me anyway. Its such a shame they've neglected the Profile Manager.

You can still manage profiles in FF via about:profiles, but I 100% agree it's not accessible enough.

You can add a bookmark shortcut button with the address about:profile and that makes it more accessible. I added a key shortcut to the bookmark itself. Then I can use cmd + L to focus the address bar, type the letter p, and hit Enter. That opens the profiles page and it’s reasonably fast.

I also created a similar bookmark with a JavaScript snippet that removes fixed elements from the page, typically top bars. I now have it in my muscle memory.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by krinchan »

kadoban wrote: post #85
judge2020 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of the ‘etc’ includes things that would properly support separate work vs personal profiles to the point that your company doesn’t need to access your personal data to inspect it in case of discovery requests / court order. Having proper separate profiles also allows sync so that an office PC can use the work profile only, while at home you have access to both work + personal and your work profile syncs with tha…

I can't imagine discovery requests are going to be written in such a way that they're friendly to whatever browser separation you're using.

Yes. Discovery requests are going to be based on device, not browser profiles. If you use a personal computer to access work things that computer is going into discovery. Do not pass go. Do not whine about your browser profiles. End of argument.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by bambax »

Bayart wrote: post #44
Flankk wrote: post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

To me, browsing without ad-blocking is absolutely impossible. I've got a very low threshold of tolerance for those things. And I frankly couldn't care less whether people can earn money off advertising or not. I don't consider it making an honest living. If their businesses failed because of it, so be it. I feel the same about data collection and tracking. As far as I'm concerned, we'd all be better off if that entir…

Absolutely agree.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by Mezzie »

Flankk wrote: post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

My job requires me to spend hours online, including on a lot of news sites. I block all ads for my own mental health: The last thing I want is ads that are calculated to work me up and make me angry/upset following me around everywhere because of my job. Likewise, just because I work doesn't mean I should be forced to be a captive audience for companies/groups trying to work me up.

On a larger scale, I believe the mental health harms to the general populace of incessant and emotionally manipulative advertising is far worse in consequence than some artists not earning money (and I've supported myself writing fiction, I'm not dismissing creators here). If artists earned money but it required 80% of the population to become hooked on bath salts, I'd consider that a problem.

Also, I have MS and that includes some twitches/spasms + I'm slightly visually impaired so I have some accessibility stuff set up and jumping/moving ads etc. are a common issue for me, as is engaging on accident through a finger/hand spasm. Now consider how many people are elderly or have vision issues; I feel like ads are uniquely predatory to certain populations.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by bambax »

RealityVoid wrote: post #16
jqpabc123 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By themselves, ads aren't the real problem --- personalized ads are the problem. The idea that they have to profile and track your every move all over the internet in order to try and sell you stuff you don't really want or need. Example: If I go to a pet supply web site, an ad for dog food is perfectly understandable --- maybe even welcomed. But just because I was profiled visiting and maybe even buying, I shouldn't…

I don't care if they have my data. My data is useless to me. Have it. I don't even think it's worth that much in the first place. I care that they make the web a crappy, unusable, annoying place. They make the browsing experience less secure. They slow down the webpages and eat bandwidth. They look ugly. It' my goddamn pc, i very well can choose what to run on it.

I kind of care about my data, but like you, what I really want is to not see any ad ever. Which is what I have right now.

If it goes away I don't know how I would cope.

Maybe it would reduce my Internet consumption, which would be a good thing overall...?

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by foepys »

Dudemeister_ wrote: post #83
miralize wrote: post #56

Time and time again I try to switch to Firefox. But it always seems to fall short (for me at least). I rely too much on separate profiles to disconnect work-related browsing from personal browsing. Separate bookmarks, sessions, browser plugins, sync preferences etc... A UI that's as powerful is literally all that is needed for me anyway. Its such a shame they've neglected the Profile Manager.

You can run the profile manager from the terminal with `firefox --profilemanager` and manage the profiles from there Then you can create separate 'shortcuts' for each profile with this `firefox --profile [path to the profile]`

I have been using this workflow for years now. It separates literally everything: cookies, site settings, window size and position, configuration, add-on settings, etc.

This way I can emulate a fresh profile, a restricted profile with tracking protection, and a completely locked down profile with more or less everything disabled. My private Firefox in completely unaffected by my development profiles and I can open multiple profiles at once, theme them differently, and I know exactly which kind of instance I'm using.

It's excellent and works flawlessly for over a decade now.

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