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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by kayodelycaon »

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb.

Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#92

Post by hvgk »

MisterTea wrote: post #88
pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

Surprisingly I actually deal with a fairly hefty integration that does some horrible win32 shit I don’t understand after opening notepad to integrate it into their app. There’s so much of that out there it’s unreal.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#93

Post by CivBase »

Here's a few features I'd like to see for Notepad which I don't think would compromise its performance or minimalist design:

  - multi-cursor support
  - tab to indent selection
  - encoding selection
  - fully controllable with hotkeys
  - [optional] line numbers
  - [optional] visible whitespace characters
  - [optional] column ruler
  - [optional] spaces instead of tabs
  - [optional] unix-style line breaks

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#94

Post by twojacobtwo »

okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

Have you tried Notepad++? I just tested it on my system after reading your comment and the difference between Notepad++ and Notepad was barely perceptible (the former being slower by ~0.1 seconds, at a guess). It also has a lot of quality of life features that notepad is missing - my favorite is that it auto-saves a cached copy of unsaved documents during shutdown and presents them to you on next open for saving (this doesn't seem to slow start up by any noticeable amount, for the small files I just tested).

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#95

Post by okareaman »

jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

How many people use Microsoft windows 10? Latest: 1.3 Billion

https://news.microsoft.com/bythenumbers/en/windowsdevices

That, along with the tendency towards Bikeshedding, or Parkinson's law of triviality, means a lot of people care.

Android has a comparable number of users, but I think we should compare desktop PC systems here and in this case, Linux users have much lower expectations of Linux Desktop along with not being nearly as many users.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#96

Post by 51Cards »

jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

When you buy a car are you concerned that it came with manufacturer monopoly provided radio, GPS, seats, tires and a jack? I mean you can go out and get third party versions of all of these things with improved functionality so why should they even include basic versions?

Now how many people actually replace the radio in their car? Or the rims? Or the seats? A vast percentage of owners are very happy with the included version as they don't desire / require anything beyond that. It's not a monopoly, it's just including the basic features most users will be content with.

Now if they forced you to keep Notepad associated with TXT files then we'd have an issue. (I'm looking at you Edge)

(adding a note to address in comments likely coming about how media systems aren't easily replacable in cars anymore but I'm a child of the DIN radio era)

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#97

Post by jrm4 »

groby_b wrote: post #90
jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

I strongly encourage you to occasionally view the world through more than one lens. No matter what the OS, the default editor is important. Changes to the default editor that address long standing demands by the community are important. Communicating those changes to a wide audience is important as well. (And the Linux side of the fence could stand to learn a bit about communicating with the wider community) And that…

Oh please.

So what I'm hearing is, there are changes in software that a lot of people wanted for a long time, but weren't allowed to have for some reason?

If only there were a model of software creation that let you fix that?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#98

Post by svieira »

MisterTea wrote: post #88
pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

Yep - read some of the awesome / horrific horror stories from having too large an API surface area from Raymond Chen here: https://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplec...

Patching other people's binaries, turning off features if the app making the request is "problematic-app", re-introducing bugs, fixing should-be-impossible-to-happen calls from programs that were written by hand, it's all there!

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#99

Post by Serow225 »

MisterTea wrote: post #88
pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

> you could view reports on which obscure apps hooked into this or that internal code of cmd.exe or Notepad and would break Wait what, external software calls into notepad?

:) http://kylehalladay.com/blog/2020/05/20/Rendering-With-Notep...

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

#100

Post by lelandfe »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #91
okareaman wrote: post #45

The greatest thing about Notepad is that it runs and displays a blinking cursor ready for typing in much less than a second for a new document. On my Windows 11 machine it appears to be around 200 msec. I've tried setting my text file handler to other text editors but nothing else comes close to this speed of utility. I'm very glad they are not messing with that. Overall, I'm very pleased with my Windows 11. Everythi…

TextEdit on macOS is this fast when set to plain text and not reopening previous windows. The entire app is 2.6mb. Launching with rich text as the default is a bit slower. But hey, rich text.

Sublime Text, god bless its soul, is right there with it.

And TextEdit is less than half that size if you strip out the translation dicts!

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