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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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md2020 wrote: post #64
rightbyte wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a strawman? You can call out companies for doing crappy things with their products without advocating government intervention. Is this a new thing? I see this argument all the time. When Coca Cola made their impopular recipe change were people defending it with "oh it is a private company, haters gonna hate".

Seconded. This “private companies can do what they want” isn’t the “gotcha” many people think it is. Societal values exist independent of the specific implementations of laws meant to protect them, and in places where the law doesn’t reach—like the USA’s 1st Amendment not applying to private businesses—I think it’s still worth talking over “Hey, the law doesn’t really enforce this value here, but maybe it’s a good id…

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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by nitrogen »

jcun4128 wrote: post #79

What gets me is the silent deletion. I generally don't post swear words but recently I posted "ass" and I refreshed it was gone. This could be on a personal user setting but still. It's funny though you could comment/not look at something again so does it matter that your comment stayed... idk. It doesn't tell you "that's not allowed" or something. It updates the UI so you think it went through but it actually didn't…

Youtube has an option for channels to hold "potentially offensive" comments for review. If that's what you encountered, the channel can then decide whether to show or delete your comment.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by akomtu »

dynm wrote: post #12

I find this debate a little strange. My position is that youtube is a private company, they should be allowed to do whatever they want, and people should be able to choose a video service that meets their needs. If you feel that youtube is so dominant that this is cramming a "no dislikes" policy on the whole world, isn't the problem really that you think youtube is a monopoly, not dislikes per se? Edit: I clearly did…

YT is a private company on paper. In reality it's a fiefdom that has complex relationships with the emperor of the White House. The YT fief has a good deal of influence on the empire's subjects, the fief decides what they get to see, the emperor himself uses YT to speak to the public, and thus the fief has soft power over the emperor. It so hapoens that the emperor is wildly unpopular, his edicts on YT get wooed by peons, but the emperor also has power, and can force his will onto the fief in many ways. YT had to yield in this case, perhaps in exchange for a small favor from the emperor.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by foxfluff »

jcun4128 wrote: post #79

What gets me is the silent deletion. I generally don't post swear words but recently I posted "ass" and I refreshed it was gone. This could be on a personal user setting but still. It's funny though you could comment/not look at something again so does it matter that your comment stayed... idk. It doesn't tell you "that's not allowed" or something. It updates the UI so you think it went through but it actually didn't…

That happens even if you don't post anything rude.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by rvnx »

TT-392 wrote: post #74

The youtube automatically deleting comments thing is strange, it happens to me quite often for no clear reason. I once left a commend on a veritasium vid where I got something wrong. Replies kept coming about what I got wrong. But anytime I edited the comment, or leaving a reply myself. The exact thing happened to my edits or replies as happened in the video. It is not like I can't leave comments anywhere like the gu…

It's likely that the reason the comments are deleted are due to the spam filter. I don't see the connection with a critic of the disappearance of dislikes.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jjcon »

Metricon wrote: post #36
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

I've heard of a number of Youtube creators that are also placing their content on Odysee as a potential backup. I first heard of this site from Dave at EEVblog: https://www.youtube.com/c/EevblogDave/videos https://odysee.com/@eevblog:7

Interesting - I first heard of odysee this week too from a VR channel I follow - it seems like a decent setup

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by rvnx »

Nihilartikel wrote: post #78
judge2020 wrote: post #19

Sounds like his account has been put into some sort of shadowban mode, which is needed for the {human|bot} spammers out there (not that I know why it would be applied to them).

There's a chance that the individual was acting bot like.. perhaps they posted the same comment, verbatim, to multiple videos in a short time span.

That's what he says, he goes to some small channels, and keep saying "Great content!" or "Great video!"

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by rvnx »

jcun4128 wrote: post #82
wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

It's helpful to spot fake stuff like fake trailers or some kind of scam.

From the perspective of YouTube, the goal is to increase engagement, so you end up watching more video content = you win. Though it's a pretty sad tactic and deceptive in the long-term.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jcun4128 »

rvnx wrote: post #98
jcun4128 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's helpful to spot fake stuff like fake trailers or some kind of scam.

From the perspective of YouTube, the goal is to increase engagement, so you end up watching more video content = you win. Though it's a pretty sad tactic and deceptive in the long-term.

Yeah it's already employed where you can't tell how good a search result video is since the ratings aren't displayed there.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jjcon »

hirundo wrote: post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

I think that net votes is still far far better than just up votes. With net votes at least spam or misleading can at times be somewhat detectable.
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