The difference is that that the WTA actually has leverage on China because China loses legitimacy in sports from this decision. No Chinese woman can ever be the best tennis player anymore. The NBA and John Cena actually have negative leverage on China. Both are purely American exports, so getting them banned in China only serves to widen the trade imbalance. China would love to find an excuse to do so.
The NBA has orders of magnitude more leverage than women's tennis. There's a serious number of NBA fans in China who would be pissed if it were banned. > No Chinese woman can ever be the best tennis player anymore. China already struggles mightily in both men's and women's tennis. They don't have any player in men's or women's that cracks the top 100.
> China already struggles mightily in both men's and women's tennis. They don't have any player in men's or women's that cracks the top 100.
bizarre thing to say given the story is literally about a former WTA #1 Chinese female doubles tennis player.
The WTA has made numerous attempts to contact Peng, and notified the government that the WTA would pull out of China unless they could talk to her and be assured of her freedom. If your argument is predicated on the WTA not making an effort to contact Peng, then you’re misinformed and just wrong.
Have they made a determined and good faith attempt to do so? Sending out emails and social media call outs isn't that serious of an effort. Can't WTA afford to send somebody to China and see for themselves? Have they made an attempt at that? WTA seems to be looking for reasons to burn bridges, rather. Point is WTA needs to make abundantly clear the steps they have taken of their own accord to address their concerns r…
>Have they made a determined and good faith attempt to do so? Sending out emails and social media call outs isn't that serious of an effort
Her handlers had her do a video call with the IOC president, to placate international demands while only letting her contact someone who has a financial interest in sweeping this under the rug.
The proof-of-life issued by the Chinese government also shows that they're aware of these concerns.
Both Billie Jean King, the founder of WTA, and Novak Djokovic support WTA’s announcement [1]. “I applaud Steve Simon and the WTA leadership for taking a strong stand on defending human rights in China and around the world,” said Billie Jean King. “The WTA is on the right side of history in supporting our players. This is another reason why women’s tennis is the leader in women’s sports.” Novak Djokovic, World No 1 an…
They might also gain NEW fans and revenue from people impressed and intrigued by this bold move.
I have zero interest in sports of any kind, but this has made me wonder if there’s some way I can support this.
Fuck all Chinese people right? They shouldn't able to bring food to the table, they shouldn't live right? Here is my perspective as a Chinese national. I agree the peng shuai case is terrible and I support WTA actions. But I also realize how much Chinese government's actions have transformed people's lives in the country for much much better. I wonder if you have knowledge of the culture, history and the perspectives…
On your last point about respecting ideals and values of other countries, I will note the punitive, heavy handed China’s reaction to Australia’s request for investigation on Covid-19. And the list of demands from the Chinese embassy in Australia, including control on the freedom of the press. Using your opening statement Australians according to China should not be able to bring food to the table…they should die. For…
It wasn't a good-faith request for a scientific investigation. Australia's Prime Minister demanded that investigators with powers like "weapons inspectors" be sent into China, and the Australian government was promoting the lab-leak conspiracy theory in the background. If Morrison just wanted a scientific investigation, publicly declaring that China should be given the Iraqi-WMD-inspection treatment would not be the way to go.
This was at the same time that Trump switched from praising China's CoVID-19 response to bashing the country and blaming it for the uncontrolled outbreak in the US.
It was also around the same time that China reopened, after having virtually eliminated viral transmission, just to give some perspective.
I'm not interested in tennis at all but I admit feeling an urge to find some way to support tennis. It would be great if the internet could somehow make this a fantastic decision for WTA. Ideas?
Absolutely. I’m in. I am hopeful viewership goes up.
Maybe some artistic soul could make a great meme with NBA stars and Winnie the Pooh on one side and WTA on the other and the text:
TIL: tennis balls are bigger than basket balls.
I know there are quite a few here who also hang on other parts of the internet and who knows how to generate memes.
Trump was a bit of a special case, for whatever reason. No other presidential candidacy would have made it thirty seconds beyond the "Grab 'em by the pussy" scandal.
You mean like Clinton/Lewinsky case? I mean sure, being more eloquent and better mannered is all the difference.
No, consent makes all the difference. But thanks for playing.
Both Billie Jean King, the founder of WTA, and Novak Djokovic support WTA’s announcement [1]. “I applaud Steve Simon and the WTA leadership for taking a strong stand on defending human rights in China and around the world,” said Billie Jean King. “The WTA is on the right side of history in supporting our players. This is another reason why women’s tennis is the leader in women’s sports.” Novak Djokovic, World No 1 an…
Is it just me or I don't see the correlation between WTA and human rights? Do they have a horse in this race?
Taiwan is not recognized as an independent nation by the U.S.
>Taiwan is not recognized as an independent nation by the U.S. While that might have some relevance in the US, I'd be more inclined to ask the Taiwanese if they are an independent nation. AFAIK, they believe so. Should the Taiwanese be subject to the whims of the US? Or of the CCP, for that matter? I think not.
Taiwan claims that it is China. So its territorial claims encompass all of existing mainland China and actually bits of India and other countries as well. They claim the CCP has been too soft on maintaining Chinese territorial sovereignty. So ironically the Government in Taiwan is actually more expansionist than the Government on the mainland.
As a Chinese-American residing in the US, I really have to smile when white people think they can "stick it" to China. Westerners, in particular white people, are threatened by Asian faces gaining power in the Far East, and so they demonize my country and countrymen and make up ridiculous stories about how much of a scary Orwellian hellhole China is. And of course they indulge in their white savior narrative and try…
Ahh, a baby wumao hatchling coming out of the couqoon. Watch as it spreads it's delicate wings and commit rhetoric and logical fallacies. Notice how it argues a different topic, uses misdirection, threats and insults. A fine specimen indeed.
We've banned that account for trolling, but breaking the site this guidelines egregiously is definitely not cool and will get an account banned as well. Fortunately it doesn't look like you have a history of doing that, but please don't do it again!
On your last point about respecting ideals and values of other countries, I will note the punitive, heavy handed China’s reaction to Australia’s request for investigation on Covid-19. And the list of demands from the Chinese embassy in Australia, including control on the freedom of the press. Using your opening statement Australians according to China should not be able to bring food to the table…they should die. For…
It wasn't a good-faith request for a scientific investigation. Australia's Prime Minister demanded that investigators with powers like "weapons inspectors" be sent into China, and the Australian government was promoting the lab-leak conspiracy theory in the background. If Morrison just wanted a scientific investigation, publicly declaring that China should be given the Iraqi-WMD-inspection treatment would not be the…
The lab leak was a conspiracy theory back then, not anymore is my understanding based on scientific consensus, just a less probable explanation. Regardless, punitive measures are punitive and demands for culling freedom of press are not aligned with respecting the culture of other countries. What that has to do with reopening or Trump’s positions is not clear. Apparently inspectors did eventually go with a lighter treatment and rights and they did not end up with any results. Would they get results if inspections were carried out earlier with more powers? Don’t know, maybe yes maybe no. Not a fan of Morrison’s approach of punching above his weight, but that does not make it an excuse especially in the context of the argument I am responding to, which was that people should not be targeting the Chinese population for the sins of their leadership. I agree with the statement itself, it is hypocritical though unless you also disagree with China’s foreign policy decisions, which the GP did not as per his closing statement.