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Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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I'm not why you're turning combatative. I was pointing what _a_ hackathon should be as the rest of the comment section is discussing. You definitely should continue to measure what you like at your "hackathon"

You presented your _opinion_ as fact, as a direct reply to my message, and so I took it in that context, that it was about our hackathons. Also then putting hackathon in quotes in your response, implying it's not a real hackathon somehow (again in your opinion), certainly doesn't help your case. And so this all certainly comes across as a bit of a know-it-all attitude, if you're actually looking for constructive feed…

It's not just my opinion if the rest of this post is any indication.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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This assumes the "business-y" type hackathons that are popular these days. Back when I was young, we used to organize hackathons where the point was to hack together something cool, and "winning" was not the point. If you are just making a "clickable prototype UI" that's not cool in my books.

The few I went to 10ish years ago had something of a party atmosphere. Free beer and pizza, and the winner was the one with funniest presentation. Imagine my surprise when they started showing up on new graduates' resumes, eventually I learned that they were more like all night working sessions now.

This is why I participated in only two hackathons, but several dozens of game jams in my life - the "hacking party atmosphere" survived much longer and can (well, could before the pandemic) still be found there. All you had to do is to avoid those jams with official jury panels and non-symbolic prizes, although at times even the presence of jury and prizes wasn't enough to ruin it.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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This assumes the "business-y" type hackathons that are popular these days. Back when I was young, we used to organize hackathons where the point was to hack together something cool, and "winning" was not the point. If you are just making a "clickable prototype UI" that's not cool in my books.

When it comes down to a 4 minute demo the engineering is irrelevant. Instead spend the time to pick the right words and tell a story with pretty pictures.

That's simultaneously true and entirely missing the point.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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When it comes down to a 4 minute demo the engineering is irrelevant. Instead spend the time to pick the right words and tell a story with pretty pictures.

That's simultaneously true and entirely missing the point.

Missing the point how? It sounds like you are looking for some form of agreement that is not implied.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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That's simultaneously true and entirely missing the point.

Missing the point how? It sounds like you are looking for some form of agreement that is not implied.

Missing the point of what was making people want to participate in old-school hackathons and what made these events fun in the first place. It is true that these days most hackathons are reduced to a pitching contest you describe, and that's exactly what's wrong with them (along some other things).

Not that there isn't a place for pitching contests or people who still find them fun, but GP was talking about how the term "hackathon" was taken over and doesn't mean what it used to anymore.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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Missing the point how? It sounds like you are looking for some form of agreement that is not implied.

Missing the point of what was making people want to participate in old-school hackathons and what made these events fun in the first place. It is true that these days most hackathons are reduced to a pitching contest you describe, and that's exactly what's wrong with them (along some other things). Not that there isn't a place for pitching contests or people who still find them fun, but GP was talking about how the t…

You are suggesting an opinion I never implied. You injected a straw man to make some point to battle against.

BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid.

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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Missing the point of what was making people want to participate in old-school hackathons and what made these events fun in the first place. It is true that these days most hackathons are reduced to a pitching contest you describe, and that's exactly what's wrong with them (along some other things). Not that there isn't a place for pitching contests or people who still find them fun, but GP was talking about how the t…

You are suggesting an opinion I never implied. You injected a straw man to make some point to battle against. BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid.

> BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid.

That's what I said. I'm not so sure on who's injecting a straw man here :)

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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You are suggesting an opinion I never implied. You injected a straw man to make some point to battle against. BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid.

> BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid. That's what I said. I'm not so sure on who's injecting a straw man here :)

So, what point did I miss?

Re: Back end developers on hackathons are not needed

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> BTW, I agree that marketing driven 4 minute hackathon demos are stupid. That's what I said. I'm not so sure on who's injecting a straw man here :)

So, what point did I miss?

4 minute pitch decks are missing the point of hackathons.
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