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PoS is a flawed system that enriches the project founders primarily. Just look at Charles Hoskinson or Gavin Wood. PoW is apparently bad for the environment. So it leaves us in an interesting situation. The Ethereum project has shown that the concept of decentralization only applies when it's on their terms. It's not a true principle.
How were Charles Hoskinson and Gavin Wood enriched? Is this about Cardano and Polkadot?
PoW systems rely on the "phone a friend method" as well. When you download a Bitcoin client from a "friend", you are trusting them to honestly introduce you to the network. If you fall asleep for a period of years, you have to trust your friends to honestly inform you of all of the PoW forks and policy changes that have occurred over that interval. The only difference is that PoS blockchain clients must be bundled wi…
For PoW, you'd have to know the hash of the start of the chain (the "genesis block") in advance to verify you downloaded the correct chain. That's true, but this hash doesn't change during operation. You could get that hash from a history book if you will.
For PoS, the hash is from the end of the chain and therefore constantly changing. This means the challenge of finding out whether the hash is the right one is a lot more real than in the PoW case, because there is no "common knowledge" to go by which hash is right.
PoW systems rely on the "phone a friend method" as well. When you download a Bitcoin client from a "friend", you are trusting them to honestly introduce you to the network. If you fall asleep for a period of years, you have to trust your friends to honestly inform you of all of the PoW forks and policy changes that have occurred over that interval. The only difference is that PoS blockchain clients must be bundled wi…
I think the difference is which kind of hash you needed. For PoW, you'd have to know the hash of the start of the chain (the "genesis block") in advance to verify you downloaded the correct chain. That's true, but this hash doesn't change during operation. You could get that hash from a history book if you will. For PoS, the hash is from the end of the chain and therefore constantly changing. This means the challenge…
Nope. You could fork the chain at a period of low difficulty and it would still stem from the genesis block. It would either be a short chain, or have clearly low difficulty though, so it wouldnt fool anyone knowledgeable. Im not sure how you would leverage that chain for fraud.
Can't wait for the day all PoW mining activities are declared illegal. To be honest, I don't understand why it hasn't been banned already. Sweden has recently called for a EU wide ban because it identified PoW mining as a threat to transition their economy to renewable energy. https://www.fi.se/en/published/presentations/2021/crypto-ass...
Doesn't seem like everyone in Sweden agrees with that opinion, especially not the people actually running energy companies: https://twitter.com/ercwl/status/1457114531314995206
Right of ways are real, tweets are not.
What is preventing someone from DDOS a cryptocurrency network by spamming it with inane transaction between 2 people?
It's actually suspected that happened during the blocksize wars when proponents of forks like Bitcoin Cash may have been spamming Bitcoin with transactions to feed their narrative that it is too expensive to use.
You'll eventually go bankrupt if you do this long enough.
This is actually another reason unlimited blocksizes that can allow for very low to no cost transactions are risky, and DDOS protection is likely why Satoshi added the 1MB limit in bitcoin to begin with.
This is like two homeless people arguing who is richer. Yes both PoW, PoS solve the double-spend problem, but in a brute-force way. And they never really get rid of the ambiguity of which chain is the one to go by. They just aggregate all the little ambiguities into one or another consistent version of history (a chain) and let them duke it out by massive electricity or stake or whatever. But at any moment, someone c…
> LMAO I don't get your criticism. Why does requiring gossip to every node cause centralization? Why does everyone having the current state of everything cause centralization?
There are various aspects of centralization. This is one major aspect: a bottleneck. Just like when all Web 2.0 conversations in the world would have to go through a centralized server. Even if it was a different server each time, it’s still an extremely centralized topology for that state transition.
It means that there can only be one transaction at a time for the whole world, no matter how many computers join the network. No concurrency — it is also why you can have flash loans. This is why Ethereum is called “the world computer” and why Bitcoin failed at being a peer to peer cash system and became a store of value.
PoW systems rely on the "phone a friend method" as well. When you download a Bitcoin client from a "friend", you are trusting them to honestly introduce you to the network. If you fall asleep for a period of years, you have to trust your friends to honestly inform you of all of the PoW forks and policy changes that have occurred over that interval. The only difference is that PoS blockchain clients must be bundled wi…
Is the threat of long range attacks in PoS any worse than PoW in practice? Bitcoin for example still relies on a list of hardcoded nodes for bootstrapping clients. Not to mention very few people actually bother to verify the full chain (360GB and counting) from genesis. As for auditing the the integrity of the code or binary, it is signed by GPG keys hosted on public key servers accessed using X509 certificates pinne…
It does, but it doesn't have to. You can use any mechanism you want to obtain one initial node and take it from there. You will still be connected to the network just as well, and you will be guaranteed to obtain the same results. This differs from Proof of Stake, where the quality of the results will be influenced by the quality of the bootstrap.
Why do unsophisticated, redundant, vitriolic takes like this get upvoted on HN so much? Is there some common ax to grind here? The strongest point here is the strawman presentation of the altered security model that PoS can be proven to form consensus under. Reading the source he cites is far more informative: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-lov... The majority of the article frames distribut…
Thanks for that link, it has been a few years since I've read it. I spent a lot of time talking about this topic with people. The article does have a point, that the security model of proof of stake is fundamentally different and relies on a key assumption (from the article you linked): > any new node coming onto the network with no knowledge except... the set of all blocks and other "important" messages that have be…
In practice social networks form a cornerstone of all of the unstated assumption of all consensus mechanisms. I'm more worried about supply chain compromise in wallet code than I am about an eclipse attack on a new node. At that point we know our models are too simple to make real world security comparisons.
Can't wait for the day all PoW mining activities are declared illegal. To be honest, I don't understand why it hasn't been banned already. Sweden has recently called for a EU wide ban because it identified PoW mining as a threat to transition their economy to renewable energy. https://www.fi.se/en/published/presentations/2021/crypto-ass...
Should we also ban clothes dryers, Christmas lights, porn, and video games? Each of those uses significantly more energy than Bitcion. If not, who gets to decide what a "good" use of electricity is?
Well, let's see
>Bright lights strung on American trees, rooftops and lawns account for 6.63 billion kilowatt hours of electricity consumption every year [1]
>Bitcoin mining consumes around 91 terawatt-hours of electricity annually. [2]
Huh. That's at least the same order of magnitude, at any rate.
[1] https://phys.org/news/2015-12-christmas-energy-entire-countr... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-mining-electricity-u...