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The sticky issue of consent in street photography

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Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#92

This bit me hard. I love street photography and have been active for a number of years. I have done some good work. I never appreciated the freedom I had as a photographer in the US. A while ago I moved to Norway. I kept taking pictures. Working on two different concepts / series. I got some good shots, the cultural differences in behavior, fashion, what is considered polite etc was inspiring. I shared some shots wit…

Are you sure you need to delete them? I don't know Norwegian law specifically, but it might be the case that you are allowed to take photos in public and you just can't publish them without subjects consent.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

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post #62

This made me think - and I've still not managed to produce a coherent viewpoint. Closest I can come up with is that there's some sort of asymmetric 'value' that sometimes appears from nowhere and this throws us off a bit. As people have mentioned, security cameras are filming me all the time - and I've no issue with that. My image has no value. It's one amongst billions of frames taken, that will be ultimately wiped,…

i do take issue with security cameras filming me. it bothers me, because yes, maybe the images get wiped unseen, but maybe not. how secure are those cameras? who gets access to the feed? on the other hand, if a photographer takes a photo of me, i don't care as long as the photo doesn't get published. i take photos myself, and in general my attitude is that publishing one of my photos requires the permission of all su…

When entering stores with security cameras, I wonder how many use facial recognition tools and then how that information is being used / aggregated / sold.

It would be good to know whether facial recognition is being used before entering a business.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#95
This will be an unpopular opinion but I feel someone taking a photo with me as the subject without my permission is almost on par with assault

It feels like a huge invasion of my personal space, regardless of whether or not the photographer is in my face or not.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#96
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the law is clear on this and case law evolved back when photography was expensive and relatively uncommon. People want to reconsider now that everyone has a camera all the time and it is very easy. This is a common pattern with tech.

Nobody needed laws about automobiles before they were invented, and it took quite a few years before those laws became settled and close to universal. (E.g. every jurisdiction will require you to drive either on the left or the right side of the road, but they differ. Nearly all the world now uses red stop signs and lights.) Laws change in response to technological changes; this is normal. The spirit of a law is ofte…

Don't forget that laws about automobiles were shaped by years of intense lobbying and shaping public opinion with campaigns, all financed by car companies.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#97

Can I take your picture in a public space? A picture of your kids? Your kids in their bathing suits at the pool? Everyone draws the line, and at a different point. It's not boolean.

It absolutely is boolean for some people. If I'm in a public space w/o an expectation of privacy you have every right to photograph me. Same goes for my daughter, bathing-suit or street-clothes. I value the right of others to make photos in public spaces and I recognize that it applies to me as a subject.

That’s a separate topic and beside the point. It’s not a question of rights. I want everyone to have the right to say all sorts of shit that I also think it’s immoral for them to say.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#98
post #62

This made me think - and I've still not managed to produce a coherent viewpoint. Closest I can come up with is that there's some sort of asymmetric 'value' that sometimes appears from nowhere and this throws us off a bit. As people have mentioned, security cameras are filming me all the time - and I've no issue with that. My image has no value. It's one amongst billions of frames taken, that will be ultimately wiped,…

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I'm in the same boat as em-bee - I am not ok with security cameras in public[1], or with public-facing doorbell cameras, either. My thought is basically: if a camera is recording the public, the public should have access to the recording. That isn't generally the case, so I'm not ok with it.

[1] Note that by "public" I mean cameras facing streets, sidewalks, etc. I can always choose not to go into a store if I don't want to be on its cameras.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

#99

Can I take your picture in a public space? A picture of your kids? Your kids in their bathing suits at the pool? Everyone draws the line, and at a different point. It's not boolean.

It absolutely is boolean for some people. If I'm in a public space w/o an expectation of privacy you have every right to photograph me. Same goes for my daughter, bathing-suit or street-clothes. I value the right of others to make photos in public spaces and I recognize that it applies to me as a subject.

I am pro public photography but it is never boolean. Everyone has a limit. Maybe your bend over to pick something up and they photograph your breasts or they continually follow you with a camera in your face for blocks. At some point a line can be crossed for even the most open minded.

Re: The sticky issue of consent in street photography

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post #25

Curious about “ And asking for it afterwards almost guarantees you will be turned down. ” She seems to know most people wont approve it, so the solution is to not ask. I imagine my daughter: “Dad, i didnt ask for permission because you would say no, so i not asked for it and Im safe for being grounded.” Weird thinking

It's also empirically wrong in my experience. I take a lot of photos of my dog, particularly at the dog park or around my neighborhood when we're out walking. I put the best ones up on Instagram. Some of those photos have people in them. I never post a photo with an identifiable person in it without showing them the photos and asking the person first. Not once have I been turned down.

I did once take a photo of my dog with two cute little twin 8 year old girls who live in my neighborhood. I told them to tell their parents, and that I wasn't going to put that one up online, and I didn't. Later, I met their father when my dog and I were out on a walk, after I introduced myself, I made sure to tell him explicitly that I had taken the photo. I just don't think it's fair to put kids' photos online like that.

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