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End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ulimn wrote: post #79
Spivak wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden is my goto. If you're the selfhosting type bitwarden_rs (now vaultwarden) is free and easy to setup. If not BW's cloud hosting is also fine. Vaults work offline just fine, apps on every major platform, biometric unlock if you care about such things, and autofill on browsers/ios/android. And they have a snazzy officially supported CLI tool.

And if you pay $10/year, it has 2FA as well. And you can add notes and such. It's definitely worth using (and paying imo).

Wait so it lets you store your 2FA secrets and your password in the same place? That sounds counterintuitive.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by Vinnl »

vorticalbox wrote: post #90
jonchang wrote: post #54

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These are the first paragraphs of the email I got: > On December 13th 2021, the Firefox browser will be officially "resorbing" Firefox Lockwise. Don't worry, all your saved Lockwise passwords will still be available through the Firefox browser using a Firefox account. > The Firefox Lockwise app will no longer be updated and supported by Mozilla and will not be available in the Apple App and Google Play Stores. After…

i am not sure this is the same, lock wise let you fill in passwords on any application not just in the browser

It is the same; I'm using Firefox Nightly to prefill passwords in other apps.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by OJFord »

vorticalbox wrote: post #90
jonchang wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are the first paragraphs of the email I got: > On December 13th 2021, the Firefox browser will be officially "resorbing" Firefox Lockwise. Don't worry, all your saved Lockwise passwords will still be available through the Firefox browser using a Firefox account. > The Firefox Lockwise app will no longer be updated and supported by Mozilla and will not be available in the Apple App and Google Play Stores. After…

i am not sure this is the same, lock wise let you fill in passwords on any application not just in the browser

It's the same, I panicked at first then found the setting thanks to a fellow commenter. Search my name in this thread and I detailed it in response to someone else.

Sibling says it's working in Nightly -- I'm using the regular stable release on Android and it's there. Haven't even updated it for a few weeks at least. (I just didn't know it existed before now, I was using Lockwise.)

All in all it makes sense tbh - Lockwise used FF account and sync... Who would have one with synchronised data and not be using FF on their phone (esp. Android) anyway?

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by schmorptron »

schmorptron wrote: post #34

This sucks. From the outside, Mozilla management just seems incompetent, killing good product after good product while not launching anything worthwhile to replace them.

Whoops - appears I overreacted in this specific case, the feature just seems to be moving to the firefox app on Android, didn't catch that from the announcement.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by OJFord »

jonchang wrote: post #54
trebcon wrote: post #31

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Their messaging was pretty poor here imo. The email they sent me gave no clear indication that Firefox would have this ability in it's body.

These are the first paragraphs of the email I got: > On December 13th 2021, the Firefox browser will be officially "resorbing" Firefox Lockwise. Don't worry, all your saved Lockwise passwords will still be available through the Firefox browser using a Firefox account. > The Firefox Lockwise app will no longer be updated and supported by Mozilla and will not be available in the Apple App and Google Play Stores. After…

If I got an email, I haven't read it yet. But I have seen this on the site via HN (make of that what you will...) and it's completely unclear. It says the functionality is coming to FF for iOS in December, but fails to mention that Android already has it (doesn't mention it at all) or if there are any differences at all to be aware of.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by chrysoprace »

Lockwise has always seemed like a weird product to me. I would've liked to use it but I don't exclusively use Firefox so I need a password manager that works on other browsers. It's understandable that they didn't want to make it cross-browser, but that flaw just makes it uncompetitive when compared to Bitwarden who don't have a vested interest in making it only work on one browser.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

dralley wrote: post #85
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #53

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Full refunds? I get the ethics - but that means that this entire experiment was a very, very expensive failure that only caused a net loss to the brand and Mozilla's finances. Heads should roll in management, but they won't.

>was a very, very expensive Why do you keep pretending to know this?

It doesn't take much math to know that Engineering Hours + 100% return of all money made + Damages from having money and then not having it + Labor and processing and lost credit card fees = Expensive experiment.

Also they laid off a major Firefox engineering division because of tight funds. You can't tell me that the side projects didn't have something to do with that.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by alpsne »

tomrod wrote: post #88

Very unfortunate. I've appreciated Lockwise for syncing between desktop and mobile. The FF mobile Android app has been a hot mess since at least last summer when their UX update rolled out. I so want to support Mozilla but their moves always seem to be anti-power user. Oh well. Any recommendations? I'm looking at NordPass but would love to hear about other alternatives.

I switched to Bitwarden and I have been very happy with their service.

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

dralley wrote: post #84
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #42

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They are decent - but they are undermining the development of the Firefox browser by consuming lots of precious time and money which is not what Firefox needs right now. Remember that Mozilla get's 90%+ of its funding, not from donations, but from Google for being the default search engine. Firefox's market share is now ~4%, dangerously close to where Google might decide that the payout isn't worth it. And close enou…

"lots" But are they? I doubt you actually have any special knowledge of this. They don't seem to me like they would require so much resources.

It's an open secret if you want to look around. For example:

https://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

"Sadly Mozilla's annual report doesn't break down expenses on a per-project basis so it's impossible to know how much of the spending that is on Mozilla's programme is being spent on Firefox and how much is being spent on all these other side-projects.

What you can at least infer is that the side-projects are expensive. Software development always is. Each of the projects named above (and all the other ones that were never announced or that I don't know about) will have required business analysts, designers, user researchers, developers, testers and all the other people you need in order to create a consumer web project.

The biggest cost of course is the opportunity cost of just spending that money on other stuff - or nothing: it could have been invested to build an endowment. Now Mozilla is in the situation where apparently there isn't enough money left to fully fund Firefox development."

Re: End of Support for Firefox Lockwise

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Post by kunagi7 »

andoli wrote: post #28

I know I'm being a bit naive, but I trusted them more than any other random "free as in beer" password manager service...I didn't mind too much the rather miserable mobile experience, as long as it got the job done. That's bad Mozilla. Lockwise was the reason I started donating.

It's sad to see a simple password manager go. Even if it's integrated inside Firefox most users will probably look elsewhere (Bitwarden, Keepass). I use the later, the file db works great and its easy to move between devices when needed.

Also, donations to Mozilla go to the foundation instead of the corporation. The only way to give them some useful money is paying for the services they sell like the VPN service (but also don't forget that Mozilla is just a Mullvad reseller).

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