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Re: Megaprocessor – A micro-processor built large (2016)

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Yes...there were a couple of generations of what we would recognize as vaguely 'modern' computers (say...roughly ENIAC to the IBM 704/709) built completely out of stuff that looked like this: http://www.righto.com/2018/01/examining-1954-ibm-mainframes-...

Yes, that was the first all-electronic generation after the very earliest relay designs. They were shockingly unreliable and incredibly expensive. Tubes have a very low mean time between failure, so any design that uses tubes exclusively can't work for more than short periods without breaking down - possibly minutes, maybe hours, probably not days, and absolutely not months or years. And each failure means a cycle of…

Well...certainly true of the original tube computers (ENIAC was famously temperamental), but that module comes from an IBM 700-series, which was a production product. Tube machines from IBM, Burroughs, Univac, Bendix, Ferranti and many others were in no way mere prototypes with hundreds built. The tube based AN/FSQ-7 was for years the basis for the USAF SAGE air defense network.

Tube reliability improved radically over the 15-20 years tube computers were a thing; it had too. And just like you point out about silicon, reasonable thermal management became recognized as important to tube reliability and designs changed accordingly. MTBF was lower than a modern computer, but they certainly ran for days or weeks and more. And debugging was usually fairly quick as you ran some diags that pinpointed the module (not single tube) that failed and replaced the whole thing.

I have an acquaintance with a Bendix G15 that still runs. Admittedly, the G15 is much simpler than an IBM 700, but it's a nearly 65 year old tube machine.

Re: Megaprocessor – A micro-processor built large (2016)

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In that case, if you want a somewhat entertaining very-high-level overview of what would need to be done, then there's a manga that showed this off a few chapters ago, it's called Dr. Stone. What stuck with me the most was that the purity needed for the silicon used in processors was absurdly high, so much so that they couldn't quite do that just yet, so they made a processor out of parametrons and used magnetic core…

Dr. Stone is great but I also found it to be a bit too hand-wavy. In real life you can't just build steam engines with a small village worth of labor + a "master craftsman". Mining, transporting, and refining iron ore alone is a huge task that could easily consume every drop of the village's labor resources and still not produce much iron. Fuel is also a huge task. Unless you have a high quality coal mine nearby, you…

Also, making glass is not just combining sand and seashells and fire.

I don't doubt that they could have made glass plates or something, but they start turning out vacuum tubes and borosilicate beakers next to each other like it was all a matter of knowing the recipe.

Re: Megaprocessor – A micro-processor built large (2016)

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Worst case propagation delay.

This does not make any sense. I can get way better delay / frequency wise on long USB cables. Something here does not compute.

Then you don't understand digital logic or how processors are designed, single cycle or pipelined.

Re: Megaprocessor – A micro-processor built large (2016)

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Good point! I used to play that same thought experiment with more basic utilities like my toaster with it's various settings and electronic controllers. Then I was given a Dualit. No more philosophical dilemmas! Kidding aside, it's always staggering how far removed we really are from operating on (humanly) first principles. Humbling.

There are many people on the internet researching how basic things can be made in a low-tech fashion. I particularly enjoy https://simplifier.neocities.org/ for example. But if you read those blogs you still notice the mind boggling height of the giants whose shoulders the bloggers stand on. Having access to simple chemicals like acids or various salts for example is huge. I wouldn't even know where to start if I had…

Whoa this is great! Thanks for the link!
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