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U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by monkeydust »

mabbo wrote: post #53

As more data comes out about Google, Apple, Amazon, one simple underlying thing becomes clear: a single company cannot be trusted to operate a marketplace while also being a participant . Apple's App Store insider knowledge lets them discover popular apps, then boot them off the platform when they decide to compete. Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over…

As someone who's been involved in developing financial exchanges this concept is bizarre. There is regulation and participant agreements that would prevent NYSE for example from running its own market making firm and abusing it's position as exchange to benefit over other participants for profit, if it did this others would leave and the exchange would eventually die.

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by ajvs »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #69
krono wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot be serious. Where do you think all that money went?

Self driving cars, free email, free docs, sheets etc. It is a serious point. Protecting advertising companies from each other is a perplexing choice of resource allocation given the alternatives.

"don't go after monopolies which are abusing their dominance to keep everyone else poorer"

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

ngngngng wrote: post #67
mabbo wrote: post #53

As more data comes out about Google, Apple, Amazon, one simple underlying thing becomes clear: a single company cannot be trusted to operate a marketplace while also being a participant . Apple's App Store insider knowledge lets them discover popular apps, then boot them off the platform when they decide to compete. Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over…

Does this only go for internet companies? Or do you think it applies to Walmart selling its own Equate brand of everything or Costco selling its own Kirkland brand of everything?

As others have pointed out there are differences between the big internet companies and the physical chain stores however I think for the purposes of drafting a law, unless it applies only to internet commerce, it might be reasonable to write it as applying to any store above a certain size as well (I guess we want Ma to be able to sell her homemade preserves at Ma and Pa's country store)

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Post by lenkite »

epistasis wrote: post #71
mabbo wrote: post #53

As more data comes out about Google, Apple, Amazon, one simple underlying thing becomes clear: a single company cannot be trusted to operate a marketplace while also being a participant . Apple's App Store insider knowledge lets them discover popular apps, then boot them off the platform when they decide to compete. Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over…

> Amazon sees what products are successful and profitable, then makes knock-offs which they promote over the originals. And now, reading into this, Google is manipulating their ad markets using inside knowledge. This is nothing new, as brick and mortar retailers have store brands for popular products as well. While I'm glad that the move to the internet lets us reevaluate some of the social relations, I have a reeeea…

"This is nothing new, as brick and mortar retailers have store brands for popular products as well".

The analogy seems spurious to me. Do brick and mortar retailers charge other brands for being a market-place ? Don't they actually buy products of other brands ?

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by heavyset_go »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #78
ngngngng wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this only go for internet companies? Or do you think it applies to Walmart selling its own Equate brand of everything or Costco selling its own Kirkland brand of everything?

There are a few differences. The big tech companies have a much higher market share. For phone app makers, the App Store is the only point of access to the majority of affluent Americans; Google controls access to the rest of the 1st world population (sideloading is possible on Android but 99.9% of normies won't use your app if it's not on the store). Amazon does have competitors and you can also run your own e-shop,…

> The big tech companies have a much higher market share. For phone app makers, the App Store is the only point of access to the majority of affluent Americans; Google controls access to the rest of the 1st world population (sideloading is possible on Android but 99.9% of normies won't use your app if it's not on the store).

To use real figures, Apple has 60% of the mobile operating system market in the US[1], and Google has 40%. Apple's App Store has 100% more revenue than Google's Play Store[2], and the two are responsible for over 99% of all mobile app sales in the US. Both Google and Apple dominate the mobile app payment market in the US, as well, since they both ban all other forms of app payments on their app stores.

[1] https://www.pcmag.com/news/ios-more-popular-in-japan-and-us-...

[2] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by lenkite »

dantheman wrote: post #27

It'd be great if states actually focused on real problems like education and medicine instead of going after tech which provides services for free and is generally liked. No one is blaming tech for debt or financial ruin.

Yep tech companies should continue to cheat and break laws as long as they offer some free stuff to folks. We should kneel and worship them as gods.

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Post by heavyset_go »

kaycebasques wrote: post #16

Supposing substantial antitrust actions are taken against Big Tech, would that have any effect on rank-and-file salaries in software? Big Tech kinda sets the bar regarding salaries, no? When MSFT was hit with antitrust action did it have any effect like this? Or is it an apples/orange comparison?

The last time Adobe, Apple, Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay got hit with antitrust action, engineer compensation soared and has been on the rise since.

Ultimately, prices are not determined by costs, and that applies to the labor market, as well.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by onion2k »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #69
krono wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot be serious. Where do you think all that money went?

Self driving cars, free email, free docs, sheets etc. It is a serious point. Protecting advertising companies from each other is a perplexing choice of resource allocation given the alternatives.

Given the choice between free email and Google paying enough tax to improve the entire education system of the US, why do you think people would pick email? Do you believe everyone is stupid?

Re: U.S. states file updated antitrust complaint against Google

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Post by dotancohen »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #20

Google does not want documents produced to the DOJ to be shared with the state AGs. https://ia601404.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.56... Judge Castel reminded them that they must produce those documents to the state AGs. https://ia601404.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.56... Perhaps this team can benefit from the discovery conducted by the DOJ.

  > Google does not want documents produced to the DOJ to be shared with the state AGs.
Are the documents produced to the DOJ public? Can attorneys general not use any public information?
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