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Re: CIA and Gen Z

#91

Post by ubercore »

herbstein wrote: post #90
mjevans wrote: post #46

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SSN is current the _defacto_, unplanned, person ID and somehow also password. I agree this is insane. A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... THAT is what I'd really love politicians to approve. I'm currently in the process of upgrading my enhanced ID drivers license to a Passport (done) and then applying f…

> A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... I can share that here in Denmark we have a system exactly like that, and have for more than a decade. It's called "NemID" (lit: EasyID), soon to be changed to "MitId" (lit: MyID). While there definitely are some problems with the current implementation, having a 2-f…

Just moved to Norway and it's been very eye-opening seeing how easy BankID (their equivalent) makes most things in life. Only problem has been that I'm 5 months in and still don't have my ID number so I'm locked out of most aspects of life still (can't even open a bank account).

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by Iv »

cm2187 wrote: post #78
high_5 wrote: post #74

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I wonder when will Hollywood make a movie where they hire someone explicitly not social media just because that's the most perfect cover for an undercover position. An then they make a fake social media presence to cover the un-tracks.

You can’t backdate the fake stories in the snapshots of social medias websites that foreign agencies have taken. Between that and face recognition I just can’t see how you can create a fake identity these days.

A fake identity can be taken from a real person's history.

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by whizzter »

ubercore wrote: post #91
herbstein wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... I can share that here in Denmark we have a system exactly like that, and have for more than a decade. It's called "NemID" (lit: EasyID), soon to be changed to "MitId" (lit: MyID). While there definitely are some problems with the current implementation, having a 2-f…

Just moved to Norway and it's been very eye-opening seeing how easy BankID (their equivalent) makes most things in life. Only problem has been that I'm 5 months in and still don't have my ID number so I'm locked out of most aspects of life still (can't even open a bank account).

Yeah, this is a recurring theme for immigrants in these countries (esp here in Sweden where the immigration agency has been backstopped since the big 2015 refugee influx).

You can get a temporary "coordination ID" that healthcare,etc can use to register your journals but Bank's doesn't always let you create accounts without personal ID numbers (and specifically no BankID's so you're locked out of all the modern digital niceties and sometimes requirements).

The EU has begun a process of creating intercommunication systems* to allow for digital logins when being in other EU countries, no idea if these systems will ever allow for non-EU identifications (that would help enormously for those countries that has gotten far along).

* eIDAS , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS

Re: CIA and Gen Z

#94

Post by stopagephobia »

altantiprocrast wrote: post #4

> One would think it’s basically impossible to get millennials and zoomers into covert jobs. The youngest of this bunch of young people have spent their entire lives online, some since their parents blasted out their first ultrasound picture as a pregnancy announcement, before they’d even gained sentience. > how exactly are you supposed to achieve this level of anonymity when you’ve flung untold reams of identifiable…

Can we cool it with the agephobic comments? Cia is going to have trouble finding enough such ppl who also meet agency requirements because they hire a lot of ppl and need more than 10 of them.

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by stopagephobia »

alphabettsy wrote: post #23
josefresco wrote: post #11

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Anecdotally my kids have their social media profiles set to "private" and don't have any motivation to make them public. In fact, most of their friends with a few exceptions have the same setup. They also regularly "wash" their profiles because they're kids and are constantly redefining themselves to their peers. Good luck finding any of that in a public archive.

Private, but likely with many friends and acquaintances. Everyone they allow has access to all they've shared. This is a good step, but this isn’t the level of protection some believe it is.

Yep, anecdodltally i ran an experiment on this. Trick is that ppl are in "networks". Find somebody you think is in your target network who got low followers to following ratio and send a request, do this 5ish times. Then go based on recommendations and ppl will see "oh that account follow these other ppl i know lemme accept a follow request".

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by jessaustin »

cm2187 wrote: post #77
Sanzig wrote: post #6

On Gen Z CIA recruits having pre-existing social media presences: > They’re shrewd enough either to be circumspect users of social media from the start or to review (and delete) old problematic tweets and posts. Is this particularly effective, though? Most social media sites have been scraped to hell and back - surely there's archives of the old problematic stuff. It must be tough working in counterintelligence these…

And I guess these days a black face picture is enough to threaten the future of any US based person

I hope so? I'm old, and I had never even imagined that "black face" had outlived minstrelsy before all these politicians started showing up with it. Anyone younger than 60 who has such a picture is unsuited to positions of authority.

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by wtf_is_up »

mjevans wrote: post #46
humanwhosits wrote: post #36

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Seems like we should stop treating SSN user id like a password

SSN is current the _defacto_, unplanned, person ID and somehow also password. I agree this is insane. A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... THAT is what I'd really love politicians to approve. I'm currently in the process of upgrading my enhanced ID drivers license to a Passport (done) and then applying f…

This already exists and has been in use for over a decade in DoD. It would be great if it was extended outside of DoD.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Access_Card

Re: CIA and Gen Z

#98

Post by jessaustin »

bitwize wrote: post #30
thereddaikon wrote: post #20

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Actual socialists had secret police. Every government has intelligence services. What do you think being a socialist means and what does that have to do with working for the CIA?

Working for the CIA means submitting to and supporting the existing power structure (unless you're doing a long-march-through-the-institutions, subversion-from-within thing, which, good luck against the CIA). Now once the socialist regime sets up secret police, it will be utterly benevolent and work solely toward emancipation of the working class.

...unless you're doing a long-march-through-the-institutions, subversion-from-within thing, which, good luck against the CIA...

How can we be sure this hasn't happened already? Could anyone imagine a less effective, more hated organization? Could CIA provide poorer intelligence to the executive if they were actually trying to provide poor intelligence? Could their actions reflect more poorly on USA if they were actually trying to tarnish our reputation?

[EDIT:] Perhaps this just proves your point. Continued existence of something like CIA in a putatively democratic society is a mystery. Perhaps they practice a sort of continuous self-disruption, defending themselves from the attentions of better people by always getting worse?

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by bleuchase »

herbstein wrote: post #90
mjevans wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSN is current the _defacto_, unplanned, person ID and somehow also password. I agree this is insane. A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... THAT is what I'd really love politicians to approve. I'm currently in the process of upgrading my enhanced ID drivers license to a Passport (done) and then applying f…

> A National ID, that is designed to more strongly prove ID and also designed to be used as a secure form of Authentication for Authorization services... I can share that here in Denmark we have a system exactly like that, and have for more than a decade. It's called "NemID" (lit: EasyID), soon to be changed to "MitId" (lit: MyID). While there definitely are some problems with the current implementation, having a 2-f…

Great! We can tie in your Twitter account too so if you say something out of line or dangerous you can be banned from all of society.

Re: CIA and Gen Z

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Post by VictorPath »

phkahler wrote: post #16

Social media could be a perfect cover: An Instagram "model" who travels the world hooking up with rich guys who will pay for her trips. Am I being sarcastic or serious?

Certainly this happens. Among other things it is useful for blackmail - "we will reveal to your wife etc. that you slept with a woman/prostitute". Spy agencies call it a "honey trap".

Eleven years ago, someone could be discharged from the US military if they were found to be homosexual. Due to things like this, it was popular to target homosexuals in the military. They were already made to conceal part of their life to keep their job, now they just add one more thing to that.

A debriefing of a double agent revealed that the British turned a high level male target by putting him together with an underage boy during the target's visit to Lebanon in the 1980's. The British had the Lebanese police barge in during the tryst and arrest the target. The offer was then made - work for us or go to a Lebanese prison and have it revealed at home you are a homosexual pedophile. The target was turned.

The Stasi had an unusual spin on this - usually males are targeted, but due to World War II, West Germany had a lack of men who had been born in the 1920s, and a lot of unmarried women of that age. So "Romeo" agents targeted secretaries working at high level offices, and this operation was a successful one.

Most spying is not James Bond level exciting - 45% of it is keeping up with technological innovation, 45% of it is getting positive press for your country worldwide, and negative press for rivals. Or maybe those percentages are juggled one way or another. The other 10% is honey traps, dead drops, wet work, ensuring Patrice Lumumba is shot and things like that.

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