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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by yonixw »

VictorPath wrote: post #65
Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

> including the building in which the Associated Press had its office, a building Israel said it purposely targeted.

Why did you omit the reason for targeting?

"... because it was being used by the groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad and that terrorist attacks were directed from there"

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-has-received-mo...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by ccouzens »

bogwog wrote: post #42

> Front Line Defenders investigated 75 iPhones and found that 6 devices were hacked with NSO Group's Pegasus spyware Hacked iPhones?! I bet they were side loading apps! /s (relevant: https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/03/apple-craig-federighi-side... )

I think they're all iPhones because they have a reliable way of detecting it on iPhones (perform a backup and look at the backup on a computer).

But at one point side loading was how the Android version was installed

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/04/an-investi...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by VictorPath »

bawolff wrote: post #83
VictorPath wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

Israel launched over 900 attacks on Gaza in May, killed hundreds of Palestinians, and displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians. The UN estimate is 461 housing and commercial units were destroyed by Israel's bombing of Gaza.

I don't dispute even more could have been killed by Israel and more destroyed by Israel if the United Nations Security Council did not call for an ending to it and that if that did not happen "it wouldn't be a place anymore...not something anyone walks away from". People can go and look at the videotaped news reports from Gaza after the bombings and judge for themselves.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by vadfa »

raxxorrax wrote: post #88
vadfa wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. This is what I meant. I didn't make my point because, at least to me, this is clear and well known, so I dismiss anybody who says not to know it as disingeniuous.

I always wondered who nibbled off the foreskins of Americans... But seriously, I somehow expected such an answer and I believe it to be heavily misinformed. It is the old formula, Jews are somehow responsible for it all. Can you give an example for a policy or public influence that was made in favor of Jews? I find them often very disagreeable. 2 Jews in a room can net you 5 different opinions. That is just a stereot…

I can show you lots of policies that were made against whites.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by [deleted] »

Vervious wrote: post #13

To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by AHappyCamper »

Does this really matter? Australia passed the "Identify and Disrupt" Law, which allows them as well as any government in the The Five Eyes (FVEY) international security pact to access and modify all digital communications - so why would this story even be important? This is our new world, where any government can access and modify any digital information.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by gghhzzgghhzz »

skinkestek wrote: post #33
rob74 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Er... you mean the UN resolution which produced this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... ? Well, today Israel opposes the current "two state solution" proposal which would give the Palestinians a much smaller territory than on that map, so I kind of understand why the proposal from 1948 is not on the table anymore...

Yes, that map which the Arabs never accepted. Please also keep in mind that Israel have occupied far more land - and promptly given it back as soon as a lasting peace agreement with the country in question was signed (more or less the entire Sinai. And the country who signed a lasting peace treaty and never had trouble with Israel again is Egypt). Also, please keep in mind that significant more Jews has been chased o…

"Yes, that map which the Arabs never accepted."

This is always presented with the implication that they should have accepted the plan.

I think if someone, even the UN came to you (and by 'you' I mean group of people of multiple religions living in your state / country etc ) and said "I've got a wonderful plan that I want you to accept. You people who currently live in the whole of this land will get to live in less than half of the land. What do you think about that?"

I'm not sure many people would accept this.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by pythonlion »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #81
pythonlion wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why Israel need to answer to EU and why everything EU does is automatically right?

I think this is a loaded and defensive question that tries to broaden the scope of the allegation to something obviously wrong. Obviously everything the EU does isn’t automatically right because it’s the EU. But maybe if multiple reputable human rights organizations are condemning allegations of a country as baseless and part of ongoing human rights violations then maybe that specific thing is a correct statement of…

or maybe its conflict of interests. I'm not talking of the general situation but about this action by Israel government and the response. And this all human right groups are funded by the EU if its private or public it doesn't matter from the Israeli government perspective. Or maybe this groups doesn't know everything? why their members opinion is more accepted than the Israeli politicians who did that? some of them are even have pro-Palestinian independence stance

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by bawolff »

tremon wrote: post #84
bawolff wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

So perhaps the obvious conclusion should be that your definition of "mass bombing" is not what people mean when they use that term?

I was under the impression it was a synonym for area bombing - e.g. throwing a bunch of bombs at a place to inflict damage in a general way. As opposed to having a very specific target.

What's your definition?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by LegitShady »

tremon wrote: post #84
bawolff wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

So perhaps the obvious conclusion should be that your definition of "mass bombing" is not what people mean when they use that term?

"people" are not one group. when a group uses some specific words, you can ask what those people mean. General 'people' have different definitions, and sometimes use words as weapons.
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