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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#91

Post by doikor »

shocks wrote: post #89
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I already spend all day sat at my desk. I was a “PC gamer” for years, but consoles are better for plug and play group/sofa gaming.

Nothing is stopping you from connecting a PC to your TV to play games on your sofa.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#92

Post by MikusR »

easytiger wrote: post #32
PixelOfDeath wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are x86 APUs with a very powerful GPU and high memory bandwidth. Something you can not buy on the open market to use it as a PC so far.

I think LTT had some boards they bought from China that are very similar to the ps5 mainboard. PCB even looks nearly identical with the ring configuration of the layout. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1383323-why-is-amd-selling-b...

Those have the gpu disabled

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#93

Post by haunter »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly

- It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system

- Exclusives. Studios are moving away from it to some extent but some games can still be only played on consoles

- Home entertainment system. Youtube, Netflix, blurays etc.

That being said I have a gaming PC and consoles too mostly becasue of the exclusives

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#94

Post by shocks »

doikor wrote: post #91
shocks wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already spend all day sat at my desk. I was a “PC gamer” for years, but consoles are better for plug and play group/sofa gaming.

Nothing is stopping you from connecting a PC to your TV to play games on your sofa.

You’ve missed the point.

I don’t want to setup and configure yet another computer.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#95

Post by user-the-name »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

1. Game availability - lots of good games are not available on PC and will never be.

2. Hardware convenience - just a box you put next to your TV that works from the second you take it out of the packaging.

3. Software convenience - no need to deal with a million compatibility issues, buggy drivers, and all the problems that come with Windows and gaming hardware.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#96

Post by doikor »

easytiger wrote: post #32
PixelOfDeath wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are x86 APUs with a very powerful GPU and high memory bandwidth. Something you can not buy on the open market to use it as a PC so far.

I think LTT had some boards they bought from China that are very similar to the ps5 mainboard. PCB even looks nearly identical with the ring configuration of the layout. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1383323-why-is-amd-selling-b...

But that is just the CPU. Basically the expensive part (the beefy integrated gpu) is not working and thus the still working parts (cpu, memory, io, etc) are being sold instead of being thrown into trash.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#97

Post by melff »

doikor wrote: post #91
shocks wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already spend all day sat at my desk. I was a “PC gamer” for years, but consoles are better for plug and play group/sofa gaming.

Nothing is stopping you from connecting a PC to your TV to play games on your sofa.

yeah, I use my laptop as a mobile "console" with ps4 controllers. It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen, but they do exist

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#98

Post by ghusbands »

carpenecopinum wrote: post #84
Nursie wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don't generally use asymmetric keys for much data encryption. The operations are (IIRC) comparatively computationally expensive.

For that reason, the usual trick is to use asymmetric encryption to protect a symmetric key (a fresh one per payload) that is then used for the actual payload. That way you get the speed of symmetric encryption with the benefits of asymmetric ones. (Though evidently that's not what the PS5 uses here, otherwise it would be useless to read out one symmetric key).

As your sibling post technically notes, asymmetric vs symmetric is a wash, here. To use asymmetric encryption for saves, the PS5 would need to know the public and private keys, so you would be able to extract those and still have the same access.

Of course, there are still advantages to having the symmetric key not be used as is, but there are many solutions other than asymmetric encryption.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#99

Post by doikor »

shocks wrote: post #94
doikor wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is stopping you from connecting a PC to your TV to play games on your sofa.

You’ve missed the point. I don’t want to setup and configure yet another computer.

There is not a whole lot of configuring to do. Just buy a prebuilt and install Steam and you are done. After that you install the games in steam, launch them from steam, buy them from steam etc. Basically the same experience as the dashboard on playstation or xbox.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#100

Post by BasilPH »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Some great games are playstation exclusive, so if you want to play those, you have no other option.

But the main reason for me is the controller: It's just so much better than any other controller I've connected to a PC. The back triggers have excellent force feedback and in some games the vibrations tell you on what type of surface you're walking. This might not count for XBox users, which can use the controller on their PC.

Also, I use a Mac, and I don't want to bother with setting up a gaming only Windows PC. If I factor in time spent, $500 is worth it.

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