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On the other hand, that is a very good excuse for those who want to do evil.
Or for tricking good people into doing evil.
"Don't worry, everybody takes the juice!"
Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
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Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#92The most hilarious part is the official app was built by five different contracting companies. No wonder the thing was a mess.
A long time ago some teammates (prior to my joining the company) had been assigned to work on some VA related health system, turned out they were 8 levels sub contractors, i.e. sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-contractors. Project never shipped.
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if you have kids, I am guessing not, if I am wrong, my apologies. Knowing what your kids have due for school is not micromanaging its a core part of being a good parent. I know if my kid has a math test so it lets me sit down with him and review for his test, it allows me to ensure he knows the basis for whatever comes next in his curriculum. Terribly overbearing parents are not good but I think people a…
I think it’s good to be involved but an app that passes information to the parent, essentially bypassing the child, is disempowering to the child. The child should know and be able to tell you she has a math test. If she is not good at managing that sort of thing, then she needs to get better. Using an app to circumvent the child’s own management of that stuff is at least similar to micromanaging.
> If she is not good at managing that sort of thing, then she needs to get better.
...And how do you think that happens?
"Sarah, I can't help but notice that you have emotional regulation issues. Go get better at it."
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if you have kids, I am guessing not, if I am wrong, my apologies. Knowing what your kids have due for school is not micromanaging its a core part of being a good parent. I know if my kid has a math test so it lets me sit down with him and review for his test, it allows me to ensure he knows the basis for whatever comes next in his curriculum. Terribly overbearing parents are not good but I think people a…
That's absolutely micromanaging and negative. The goal of school isn't just to pass the tests. If a kid fails to revise for a test, but it doesn't matter because their parent will just look up the schedule and force them to revise, then they learn nothing beyond what's in the test. If they fail to revise and as a result do badly at the test, then next time they might actually take the initiative and revise through th…
Thanks for the feedback on my parenting style Diggsey, I will be on the lookout for a visit from child services for the terrible crime of paying attention to my kids results at school, making sure they do their homework and sitting down and studying with them for their tests. I only hope they can forgive me when they are older.
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#95The first thing that jumps out is Sweden has a national identity system, BankID. The APIs appear to be protected using those credentials. With that in mind I have two questions: 1. Who owns the data? 2. Should public funds be used for the creation of private APIs that manage the data? The answer to (1) has consequences for (2). I think many HN readers, including myself, and certainly these parents would argue that th…
(I am Christian Landgren, cofounder of the project) You are right, the city believes they have ownership of the data, mainly because they fail to understand that they aren’t showing data in an app, but rather publishing data in an API. In Swedish law, once you have released data from a government, the receiver have the right to do whatever they want with the that data (as long as it isn’t violating any other laws). T…
Hi, congrats on the app. I was curious about one thing in the article - why would the city pay to license the app when it is open source? Do you anticipate that this would be cheaper for them than them paying one of their overpriced contractors to build and publish an "official" version, given how much they spent on a CRUD app?
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#96The movie "Brazil" remade in modern day Sweden.
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#97> To do so, the city struck a deal with an external provider that will be able to set up licenses between Öppna Skolplattformen and the city. “With this solution, the City of Stockholm can guarantee that personal data is handled in a correct and secure way, while parents can take part in the market’s digital tools in their everyday lives” Licensing does nothing to guarantee that your systems are secure, and the overa…
> He just couldn't understand the point of Linux - he could never trust it because "there is no one to sue"
Well, I guess enterprises can just "buy" linux from RedHat/Suse and get some corp to sue.
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if you have kids, I am guessing not, if I am wrong, my apologies. Knowing what your kids have due for school is not micromanaging its a core part of being a good parent. I know if my kid has a math test so it lets me sit down with him and review for his test, it allows me to ensure he knows the basis for whatever comes next in his curriculum. Terribly overbearing parents are not good but I think people a…
Active involvement would be talking to your children and asking them what they have for school . Looking up their schedule on a website is passive involvement. I'm relieved these systems didn't exist when I was a child.
Of course these systems existed, they just used paper or other mediums. Did you not receive calendars, directory books or yearbooks, permission slip for upcoming museum trip, etc? Save the date slip or important school numbers magnet for the fridge?
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
It boils down to what people consider personal information. I don't especially want to share this information (nor lots of other things about my personal life) and that's my decision to make absent public policy that goes in a different direction. So it's a downside to me simply because I don't think my salary or many other things are any of your business. Also you don't know you're a better employee than me. You thi…
That's fair. I think we just have a basic difference in what should be everyone's business. I don't want my address out in the world, but I have zero problems with my salary and job for public consumption. >Also you don't know you're a better employee than me. You think you are but you may not even be aware of a bunch of stuff I do This is actually still a pro-, in my opinion, on public salary information. If I know…
Although if you own a house your address is out in the world in the US.
In general default to private is the norm in the US and there isn’t a general sentiment to generally change that with respect to salary, tax returns, etc.
Re: Stockholm parents built their own school app, then the city called the cops
#100> "[...] But you have to involve students, and especially teachers, in the development from the start. There has been none of that in the School Platform.”
Oh my! I can imagine some bureaucrats playing "Lord-Master of Administration", enjoying the small power, they have, while burning through tax provided money and, generally, making a career. There may be sides, I do not understand, but, from the article, it just looks like this.