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Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by neverminder »

r1ch wrote: post #29
neverminder wrote: post #4

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This. Cloud is everywhere nowadays, but most dedicated servers are outrageously expensive or have bandwidth limitations (I'm looking at you OVH). Servers on Hetzner's auction might be pushing 10 years, but who cares as long as they work just fine.

What kind of bandwidth limitations have you seen with OVH? Their burstable bandwidth works great for us during peak times, I've never noticed any throttling. Though if you're running a seedbox and maxing the interface 24/7 things might be different.

Last time I checked, their midrange brand Soyoustart had 250 mbps and OVH 500 mbps. Hetzner is 1 gbps. Other than that OVH prices are much higher for more or less the same specs.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by phamilton »

wongarsu wrote: post #60
School-Cotton wrote: post #55

Naive question: what’s the difference between this and ec2? (I am already running my personal mail and website on an ec2 instance; is there any good reason to switch?)

Hetzner is a fraction of the cost of AWS. A 8vcpu, 16GB RAM instance is 22€ on Hetzner cloud or $148 on AWS. If you have substantial egress traffic the difference becomes even more pronounced. AWS has a bigger ecosystem of services, and due to AWS's traffic cost you can't cheaply mix-and-match things inside and outside their ecosystem. That's probably the biggest reason to go with EC2.

While not exactly apples-to-apples in all scenarios, I encourage people to use Spot Instances on AWS whenever possible. We run all our web traffic on spot instances, for example.

Spot pricing really closes that gap. A m6g.2xlarge is ~220/month on-demand, $140/month with a yearly RI, and $60/month as a spot instance.

Hetzner is still cheaper for sure if you have a stateful, 24/7 workload. But if I use auto scaling on spot instances (where a good chunk of compute is only running for a part of the day) then the math starts getting much much closer.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by oblio »

0des wrote: post #69
oblio wrote: post #48

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The internet can't just paper over the fact that there are fundamental differences on how people do things across the world.

The internet was supposed to be the last free land where nerds could be able to create without worrying which part of the floor is lava.

And it would have stayed that way if only nerds would have used it.

Now it's used by regular people, too. And our lives are much richer because regular people use it, too.

But that means that real life rules now apply.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by zibzab »

tmikaeld wrote: post #43
ptman wrote: post #19

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I think the main thing for GDPR is that US based employees should not have access to manage EU datacenters remotely.

Why would an US employee leak personal data just because they’re in the US? It would be a clear violation of employment and probably criminal.

Fully legal thanks to "cloud act":

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by nextaccountic »

jacob019 wrote: post #67
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #37

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Interestingly, I have used racknerd.com from lowendbox.com deals and it works quite nicely for me. No hiccups. They undercut linode/vultr guys like many other leb providers so you should try them as well. Leb has good deals for ultra low cost vps

Same, but there is some shady history with LEB to be aware of. Undeniable value though.

Can you share more?

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by jacob019 »

nextaccountic wrote: post #95
jacob019 wrote: post #67

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Same, but there is some shady history with LEB to be aware of. Undeniable value though.

Can you share more?

It appears ColoCrossing created dozens of VPS "companies" that they pumped through LEB, sold plans, and then shut down without refunds. LEB may be/have been owned by or share common ownership with ColoCrossing.

https://www.hostscore.net/news/20-vps-hosts-shuts-down-on-de...

https://hostedtalk.net/t/colocrossing-chicagovps-hudsonvalle...

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by 0des »

oblio wrote: post #93
0des wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet was supposed to be the last free land where nerds could be able to create without worrying which part of the floor is lava.

And it would have stayed that way if only nerds would have used it. Now it's used by regular people, too. And our lives are much richer because regular people use it, too. But that means that real life rules now apply.

People ruin everything. Eternal whenever is upon us.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by RealStickman_ »

k8sToGo wrote: post #57
Radim wrote: post #20

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Yes! And their support is amazing too. Doing business with Hetzner somehow always feels very different to e.g. Amazon, or the other tech giants. I wonder if it may be related to the general business mentality (Germany vs USA), and not only the company size.

It does. Because "customer is king" mentality is very strong in the US and not so much in Europe.

Unless I'm reading you wrong, this would speak against Hetzner providing good support.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by emptysongglass »

Hetzner_OL wrote: post #77
returnofzyx wrote: post #42

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Hetzner will actually refuse your order after you submit your documents with no valid reasons whatsoever. At a point, you just give up and ask your EU co-workers to spin up dedicated servers for you.

We do not publish the specific reasons why we reject orders. If we did this for every customer, it would be really easy to create a fake account. Potential abusers would quickly learn what to avoid. So we don't publish this information to anyone. We understand that that seems harsh. That's not what we intend. We just want to prevent abuse. --Katie

It's not ethical to withhold this information. I'm sorry it makes it harder for your fraud departments but it's not ok to reject someone and not tell them why.

That's all there is to it. I've had this happen to me by banks before and it's shit because the customer has no recourse. They can't advocate for themselves.

This practice needs to change, industry-wide.

Re: Hetzner Cloud Goes US (Ashburn/VA)

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Post by tssva »

throwaway277360 wrote: post #35
Vespasian wrote: post #30

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Their FAQ mention that prices will be in Euros. Scroll down on that page. Specs should be there. Or do you mean something different?

I just mean prices. It's difficult but not impossible for them to do a currency conversion in-browser... just one of those things that helps convert customers, funny that they don't do it. Here is why me having to do the conversion is annoying. Pricing at 1 euro = 1.1579126540169 usd: - Traffic: 20TB included, over that is $1.1579126540169 TB/month - Instances: $0.0081053885781183 /hr, $0.0127370391941859 hr, $0.0231…

Currency rates are constantly changing. If they list a converted USD price when you visit the site this may be different than the rate when you are billed. If they don't want to establish fixed USD rates than providing a point in time currency conversion is likely to cause more problems than additional customers this converts.

This appears to be a product aimed mostly at European customers that want a US presence and not to US customers.

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