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When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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This is no longer true about the returns - I may have to go to court with amazon over a warehouse item that was empty, and then they stuck me with the non-returned item when I returned the empty box, wiped my review of the 3rd party seller (fulfilled by amazon). They are currently lying to my credit card company about the chargeback. Not fun...

You sent Amazon an empty box? It's still their fault, but sending back an empty box and issuing a chargeback usually aren't the first things I try to get refunds from Amazon. Their support chat is usually pretty willing to give you a refund IMO (although if you've returned too much / had too much stolen over the years that might not be the case, which I'm guessing is the situation you're in)

They asked me to in the first place, I called them immediately when I got the box. I sent them back what I got, the original NVIDIA box + accessories. I actually asked them to check the shipping weight IIRC :/

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Why would you return an empty box? Legally Amazon had a contract to deliver you an item. They failed to do that, so you should have reported it as undelivered. When this has happens to me Amazon usually spend a few days “investigating” if the courier misplaced the item, then they admit it wasn’t delivered and send a replacement. If you report it as “delivered but there’s something wrong with it” then that’s going to…

They probably mean they opened the box and it was empty (i.e. they got sent a parcel, and the item's box was inside the parcel, but the item itself wasn't in the box). I've worked in quite a few eCommerce companies on the fulfilment side (although not Amazon, but including Amazon sellers) and this is pretty common - the overwhelming cause is that a scammer buys a product from an online store, takes it out of the box,…

Yep, exactly this happened. I even asked them to check the shipping weight from their side, to confirm that it was the same.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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I doubt this is the same thing as "Apple Certified Refurbished" store[1] which in my anecdotal (but quite a number of samples) have sold indistinguishable from new products in a sealed non-retail box which is the same as retail except it is plain white, which seems to sell immaculate products (that in my guess probably are either store returns or possibly even new ones under discount without admitting such thing). Th…

I have happily bought from Apple’s repair store, but may not do so with laptops.

My point was Rossman's use of the phrase "refurbished" really means "fixed under warranty". Whether a refurbished is worth the risk is of course, one's own evaluation, but the video is not a representative of Apple refurbished store processes.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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They probably mean they opened the box and it was empty (i.e. they got sent a parcel, and the item's box was inside the parcel, but the item itself wasn't in the box). I've worked in quite a few eCommerce companies on the fulfilment side (although not Amazon, but including Amazon sellers) and this is pretty common - the overwhelming cause is that a scammer buys a product from an online store, takes it out of the box,…

Yep, exactly this happened. I even asked them to check the shipping weight from their side, to confirm that it was the same.

Yeah, well there definitely isn’t a requirement for third party sellers to weigh the parcels - in almost all instances the shipping weight field is just calculated based on the packing list and known weights for each item and the packaging material. All large Amazon sellers I’ve worked for did this.

An exception to this is if it’s shipped by Amazon, as I believe they have in-line weigh scales.

Amazon as a company though is almost impossible to deal with if you need to do something outside their regular processes or procedures, and they are heavily bureaucratic from an external perspective (including to their ‘partners’). I suspect you have unfortunately reached a block on their internal flow chart that says “no refund” and the customer services operative has very little discretion to do something different.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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Why would you return an empty box? Legally Amazon had a contract to deliver you an item. They failed to do that, so you should have reported it as undelivered. When this has happens to me Amazon usually spend a few days “investigating” if the courier misplaced the item, then they admit it wasn’t delivered and send a replacement. If you report it as “delivered but there’s something wrong with it” then that’s going to…

They actually asked me to. And the box wasn't empty per-say, it was just missing the graphics card. It had the power adapters/manuals and such still, as well as the original NVIDIA box. It was a used item, so it was expected to be opened.

Sure, but the main item was missing. Like other posters have said - you paid Amazon to deliver an item, that item was missing. There was nothing to return at all in my opinion and I would have refused any request to return from amazon. I know hindsight and all, but yeah. If your account is in good standing Amazon would(should?) just refund it. If you have a new account or if you did this a few times already they will be pissy about it.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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The refurbishes he's looking at are all Apple-authorized or first party.

Any proof those are laptops Apple sold as refurbished? Rossman has been caught lying about a bunch of stuff in the past.

I hadn't heard about that, any pointers to what he did that about? TIA.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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post #94

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Yep, exactly this happened. I even asked them to check the shipping weight from their side, to confirm that it was the same.

Yeah, well there definitely isn’t a requirement for third party sellers to weigh the parcels - in almost all instances the shipping weight field is just calculated based on the packing list and known weights for each item and the packaging material. All large Amazon sellers I’ve worked for did this. An exception to this is if it’s shipped by Amazon, as I believe they have in-line weigh scales. Amazon as a company tho…

It was fulfilled by Amazon, so hopefully at whatever end of this they figure that out and realize they've made an error. I have certainly hit that point, for whatever reason :/

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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He got caught using counterfeit parts.

1. How is he suppose to get official parts? 2. He is using parts made by the same company that made exactly the same chips. Is that Counterfeit? 3. He is using parts he scrapped from other Apple Computer when those parts are not available. Unless it is outside those three options, I dont see how it is Counterfeit.

He can get official parts by becoming an Apple service provider.

And yes, parts with Apple logos stamped on them that are not actual Apple parts are by definition counterfeit.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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1. How is he suppose to get official parts? 2. He is using parts made by the same company that made exactly the same chips. Is that Counterfeit? 3. He is using parts he scrapped from other Apple Computer when those parts are not available. Unless it is outside those three options, I dont see how it is Counterfeit.

He can get official parts by becoming an Apple service provider. And yes, parts with Apple logos stamped on them that are not actual Apple parts are by definition counterfeit.

He already addressed his concerns with this two years ago here: https://youtu.be/0rCUF-V1esM and here https://youtu.be/ANSkQ4gmEkg

Apple still does not provide him the parts required to do the board repair that he's known for, even if he did sign up for their authorized repair nonsense.

Re: When will the new MacBook Pro be refurbished?

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He got caught using counterfeit parts.

He's openly admitted to that, since for the most part Apple will not sell him the official OEM components.

If he wants official parts, he can join Apple's one of service/repair provider programs.
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