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Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by rolandog »

LurkingPenguin wrote: post #77
New_California wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct but efficacy of this process is pretty much irrelevant for the founders because the whole "fair distribution" is just a marketing gimmick to promote yet another shitcoin. Only losers will provide their real retinas. Smart players will obviously game the system and then dump the shitcoin on yet another group of losers.

Wait until you see the retina mining camps they set up in China.

Or... What if you had an AI randomly generate unique irises, you then print them on adhesive paper, and paste the cut-outs on the eyes of one of those robo-faces?

Unlimited money!

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by gruez »

yosamino wrote: post #16
ozim wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids or coworkers are not going to make fake fingerprints to mess with me. What they can do is to see password or pin code while I am typing those over my shoulder. Someone on the street also won't be able to see my pin code for unlocking phone if I use fingerprint. Those are scenarios that biometrics are handling really well. Biometrics against sophisticated attackers is not good idea. I don't encounter in my life "…

> Kids or coworkers are not going to make fake fingerprints to mess with me. Don't underestimate the lenghts some people will go through for a harmless prank. But you are probably correct a modern phone's fingperprint-reader is probably not fooled by an etched stick of gummibear. Incidentally - I always wanted to have a device that you could stick your finger into, that would use a, let's say, laser to etch different…

>But you are probably correct a modern phone's fingperprint-reader is probably not fooled by an etched stick of gummibear

IIRC there was an attack that was able to get past the liveliness checks by putting the fingerprint replica (a thin piece of dried elmers glue) onto a real finger.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by yissp »

Tenoke wrote: post #39
drexlspivey wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation. His argument is valid, what stops you from replacing the retina scan with a random hash replicating a different person scanning each time and collecting new tokens? What ties the hash to the actual retina other than the device that you can mess…

Presumably the orbs produce a verifiable type of hash. E.g. whatever output it has is also encrypted with their private key + some salt and you can always check if what a user provides has that.

Would it not just be a matter of time until the orbs are reverse-engineered and you can sign arbitrary input? Especially if this currency were to actually gain significant popularity.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by gruez »

Tenoke wrote: post #43
nkmnz wrote: post #7

I registered the domain thiseyeballdoesnotexist.com - anyone interested in training a GAN for that page?

How will that help you? You need the orb, too and those operating the orb can presumably tell the difference between a real person and a jpg of an eyeball.

Bribe them?

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by exo762 »

Tenoke wrote: post #49
exo762 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't care about Worldcoin (I think it will fail, because they are solving the problem that does not exist), this post is false in multiple ways. First, retina scanning output hash is deterministic - it is supposed to generate the same result for the same eyeball. So it can't be replaced with random number generation. Second, network does not interpret hashes, except for making sure that single hash is awarde…

>I think it will fail, because they are solving the problem that does not exist Admittedly I never bothered to read about it but the problem they are solving is purely the distribution. Currently there's just no way to do a fair distribution where everyone gets equivalent amounts of it except perhaps with KYC but then they have to store way more personal data. I'm much more comfortable with someone having a hash base…

> I'm much more comfortable with someone having a hash based on my biometric data than having my passport and other details.

Same here. My point is - fair distribution is just a means to achieve a goal of "more equality". As a mean it is an equivalent of giving man a fish instead of teaching him how to fish. At most a PR stunt.

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by LurkingPenguin »

rolandog wrote: post #91
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until you see the retina mining camps they set up in China.

Or... What if you had an AI randomly generate unique irises, you then print them on adhesive paper, and paste the cut-outs on the eyes of one of those robo-faces? Unlimited money!

Where's the fun in that though?

Re: Edward Snowden Slams Sam Altman's Worldcoin: 'Don't Catalogue Eyeballs'

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Post by ganzuul »

astoor wrote: post #46

This is just so wrong in so many different ways, it actually fills me with despair to think that there are people somewhere who actually think this is in some ways a good idea. To the point of wondering if there is some way of organising more direct action to stop this kind of disaster from befalling the human race.

At some point one needs to assume it is no longer a matter of ignorance, but instead one of malice. Not sure if this is near that point. Perhaps this guy is simply a fluff bunny who has never seen any evil in this world.
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