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14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by mortenjorck »

zlsa wrote: post #66
c-fe wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 140MW is more than USB PD can deliver, then how can the other side of the cable be USB-C?

Because the 140W charging adapter supports USB-C EPR (extended power range) [0], which allows compatible USB-C chargers, cables, and devices to work at up to 240W. (Obviously Apple's 140W charger only supports up to 140W.) However, the spec is so new that there's currently no USB-C to USB-C cable that supports 140W. I don't think we know yet if the MacBooks can charge at 140W with an EPR USB-C cable, not least becaus…

That's really good news.

140W charging on the 16" had me worried that Apple was using a proprietary/non-conforming extension to USB-C, just like Nintendo did for the Switch. The reports of bricked Switches from standard USB-C chargers was an unfortunate demonstration of why this is a bad idea, and why it's important that Apple is using a standard (even if it's very new) method of increasing power delivery.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by nojito »

reilly3000 wrote: post #39

Much has already been said about this, but this achievement of shipping a MBP that pro users seem to love is a triumph of user feedback over design purity. I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I suspect it will be a breakout success and I aspire to contribute to their sales figures some day. Of all of Apple’s revenue streams I know their pro products are now merely an afterthought, but they…

>I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this.

This is a popular statement but Jony didn't have any design oversight for years before he formally left.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by bombcar »

seumars wrote: post #78
bombcar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's amusing about the "design purity" is this is basically (from an externals point of view) an upgraded PowerBook G4. Good design isn't limited to "make it look as much like a thin sheet of metal as possible".

Which again is weird for someone like Ive considering that "form follows function" is one of those mantras that people like Rams and the Bauhaus folk based their entire work on.

Even if that was the basis at some point I suspect much of it is now just an argument for particular parts the designer likes, as "function" isn't necessarily completely defined.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by itg »

I'm curious what specs are software developers planning on getting. From what I've seen, the m1 mba/mbp was good enough for a lot of use cases so I dont see the point of get some specced out mpb. I am currently leaning towards the base model 14" but with 1tb of space.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by rz2k »

I assumed that 10gbit ethernet was only quietly released as an option for the M1 Mac Mini some time after the initial announcement, because Apple didn't want to commit to components where supply constraints could limit their ability to scale up production in the case of high demand.

Likewise, I wonder if there will be options for HDMI 2.1 (for 4K@120Hz), SD slot with UHS-III, and wifi 6E in the next few months for the new MacBook Pros.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by pornel »

nicoburns wrote: post #79

Does anyone have any insight into how many GPU cores to choose with these machines? I don’t do much in the way of video work; but I’d like to be able to run a couple of 4k external displays as well as the internal display. And ideally have video calls not slow down my entire machine.

The minimum. Even the smallest M1 GPU in MacBook Air has performance better than most Intel Macs.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by CharlesW »

seanalltogether wrote: post #74

Can anyone recommend a good thunderbolt dock they've been using. Ideally I would like a dock that at least provides for displayport, ethernet, audio, and 1 or 2 usb-a ports. I'm fine with using the magsafe if power through the dock is not available.

I've been a happy user of the CalDigit TS3 Plus for a couple years: https://www.caldigit.com/ts3-plus/

Based on their reputation and my experience with them, I assume their TB4 Element Hub is a winner as well: https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by wyldfire »

kgermino wrote: post #83
wyldfire wrote: post #77

> The "butterfly" mechanism offered reduced key travel and keyboard reliability. I couldn't quite tell whether this was a subtle joke or not. I didn't know whether the butterfly design was actually intended to improve reliability or not. Regardless, the effect was actually worse reliability. I decided to get a second opinion from a machine [1] that probably was trained on input from humans. It said that the noun phra…

Interesting input from the ai, but reduced is definitely intended to apply to both "key travel" and "keyboard reliability" in that sentence.

So it is a subtle joke? What was the intent of the butterfly design change, then? Just reduced key travel?

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Post by nojito »

nicoburns wrote: post #79

Does anyone have any insight into how many GPU cores to choose with these machines? I don’t do much in the way of video work; but I’d like to be able to run a couple of 4k external displays as well as the internal display. And ideally have video calls not slow down my entire machine.

Pro can do 2 external 6k monitors and Max can do 3
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