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The Married Will Soon Be the Minority

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Personally I am hopeing for nano-tech and neovictorians, but that is just me. We can make marriage attractive again, if we make divoce very, very hard or very, very easy. What we have now is in between and that helps nobody.

Divorce can't be easy because it often involves children, which are not easy. They are the reality check on life.

We can make it as easy as what happens when you aren't married and split up.

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Divorce can't be easy because it often involves children, which are not easy. They are the reality check on life.

We can make it as easy as what happens when you aren't married and split up.

Right, we should do something like require fathers to pay support to their children, and become involved in visitation rights should the parties request it.

I don't understand what you thinks happens in divorce that's so special. If an unmarried father and mother have children, then any dispute they may have regarding children that can be taken to court in a marriage can also happen to them.

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Interesting times ahead. Especially for Gen Z and younger, who rely heavily on dating apps instead of going out to meet new potential partners. Dating apps which are highly ineffective at actually generating relationships for most people (particularly for straight males). I predict Gen Z birth rate will be less than 1 per woman, but this might not be a problem for Western economies for now as Western countries can ju…

Eventually western countries will be taken over by Muslims and non white Christians and we will have normal social structures again. This is not a pejorative. As an immigrant, I think this will be great.

As a white Christian male, I’ve often had the thought that Hispanic immigration into the US, being largely practicing Catholics, could very well trigger a turn toward more traditional values in this country.

I’m all for that :)

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I disagree with the assertion that family was ever non-transactional. Even the ways families begin, either through monogamous marriage or wedlock, require that one person select (or be arranged to accept) one partner with which to copulate. People engage in a transitional analysis anytime they ask themselves "is it worth it?". And that's more often then you seem to imply. Aside from that, I agree that Huxley was righ…

Absolutely, married partners have a transactional relationship. I wasn't clear enough that I was referring more to the parent child relationship, which, although you could say is also transactional ("I pay for college and you study hard in return") it is mostly unidirectional in terms of investment.

That’s not how I view my marriage, though I readily admit that there are a wide range of views.

I see marriage not as a transaction, but as a promise. I promised to love and support my wife, unconditionally. It’s not “if you do this, I’ll do that in return” - it’s “I promise to do this, regardless of your future actions”.

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Why is alimony stupid? I haven't really heard any good arguments against it.

Because women routinely abuse them. The way out of marriage for them should only be to leave everything behind, children including, and to get a job.

I agree with everything except leave the children behind. That should be a decision made by the judge on who is the better parent or at least a sharing based situation.

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"People will no longer get married and will live with each other just for sexual pleasure." - taken from the Wikipedia page about kali yuga. There are many more entertaining observations there: Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life. People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs. Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy t…

> All the human beings will declare themselves as gods or boon given by gods and make it as a business instead of teachings. I mean that is a perfect description of LinkedIn and Instagram to some extent.

It's not a perfect example of that at all. I use Instagram, I don't think I'm a god, or that god has anything to do with it.

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Then don't marry. Monogamy is still the dominant lifestyle form. It's also a safety if children are involved.

> Then don't marry. What about people with partners that are non-citizens? I know a lot of people in that situation, myself included. Double income households are penalized outside of marriage. Marriage also shackles you to the other partners' debts. Lots of people have mountains of student debt. Divorce, even without kids, incurs alimony and division of property. And you have to deal with expensive lawyers and the c…

> We're not having many of these now. Population growth is now driven mostly by immigration.

Suggested correction: We're not having many of these now in this

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