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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by josephpmay »

thebean11 wrote: post #68
diebeforei485 wrote: post #56

I'm in the situation where I really want to pre-order a 14", but I have no idea if going with the base model would be a mistake. Would upgrading to 32GB RAM make Xcode faster? Or would it be a waste of $400?

16GB of RAM seems so low in 2021. OTOH, hard drives are so fast on these things that maybe 16 is good enough with the SSD as overflow. I ended up shelling out the extra $400 for 32GB, but didn't feel great about it!

I've heard from people with M1 laptops that they perform surprisingly better than Intel laptops with less RAM (on the Mac). I imagine the same will hold with the Pro and Max, although it will depend a lot on what type of work you're doing.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by rgbrenner »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #56

I'm in the situation where I really want to pre-order a 14", but I have no idea if going with the base model would be a mistake. Would upgrading to 32GB RAM make Xcode faster? Or would it be a waste of $400?

Ram is ram. Don’t fall for marketing hype and think M1 means you need less ram. If you think you need it, you still need it on M1… and I say that as someone who owns an M1 Mac.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ur-whale »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #37
systemvoltage wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per core performance is the most interesting metric. Edit: for relative comparison between CPUs, per core metric is the most interesting unless you also account for heat, price and many other factors. Comparing a 56-core CPU with 10-core M1 is a meaningless comparison.

Not when building large software projects.

> Not when building large software projects.

Or run heavy renders of complex ray-traced scenes.

Or do heavy 3D reconstruction from 2D images.

Or run Monte-Carlo simulations to compute complex likelihoods on parametric trading models.

Or train ML models.

The list of things you can do with a computer with many, many cores is long, and some of these (or parts thereof) are sometimes rather annoying to map to a GPU.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by plandis »

Thaxll wrote: post #52
bhouston wrote: post #30

Where is the graphics test? The M1 Max versus an NVIDIA 3080 or similar?

It's probably bad, the M1 could not get 60fps on WoW so ... When I see Apple comparison I would take that with a grain of salts because the M1 is not able to run any modern game at decent fps.

That’s not great especially because I believe WoW works natively for the M1 and uses the Metal API.

My follow up would be what settings were you playing at?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by t-writescode »

bluedays wrote: post #80
thebean11 wrote: post #68

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16GB of RAM seems so low in 2021. OTOH, hard drives are so fast on these things that maybe 16 is good enough with the SSD as overflow. I ended up shelling out the extra $400 for 32GB, but didn't feel great about it!

On the other hand I've been running 16GB of ram for a while and I can't conceive of a reason why I would need more. 32GB seems like overkill. What would you do with all of that ram? Open more tabs?

Compilation, graphics work, heavy-weight IDEs

And, if you're spinning on 16GB ram on an M1, you might be eating through the SSD powering your swap space and not know it.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by InvaderFizz »

meepmorp wrote: post #29
SegOnMyFault wrote: post #24

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Should be the same as the difference between the max and the pro lies in the GPU core count.

No, the Max has twice the memory bandwidth as well - 200GB/s vs 400 GB/s, which will have a big impact on anything memory bound.

How much and on what is the question. I'm not in the market for a laptop, so I can wait and see.

That said, if Apple releases a MacMini M1 Max, I'll probably buy it.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by gigatexal »

mhh__ wrote: post #67
gigatexal wrote: post #54

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If true I’d be interested to see what that is in points per watt.

The points per watt is probably going to be crap but equally I don't care all that much. One thing as well is that there are always headlines complaining about power usage, but the figures are nearly always from extreme stress tests which basically fully saturate the execution units. Geekbench is slightly different to those stresses so not sure.

Sure but I’m only asking for Points per watt to use as a baseline for testing Apple’s claims.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by mhh__ »

ribit wrote: post #78
mhh__ wrote: post #36

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Impressive but unbelievably expensive considering what will actually be run on it. I kind of want one, but the 5800x for example is about 10x less expensive than a specced out MacBook Pro

Workstation laptops are expensive. These new Macs are priced quite competitively. E.g. the 14“ with the full M1 Pro is $2.5k and is faster, more portable and has a much better display than a 2.7k Dell Precision 5560…

Very True although I note that I wouldn't be able to actually work on one for the day job because of windows.

Still might buy one, I want an arm box to test my work on compilers on.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ribit »

mhh__ wrote: post #39
bhouston wrote: post #30

Where is the graphics test? The M1 Max versus an NVIDIA 3080 or similar?

I'm waiting to be corrected by someone who knows GPU architecture better than me but as far as I can tell the synthetic benchmarks can trade blows with a 3070 or 80 (mobile), but the actual gaming performance isn't going to be as rosy. Also recall that very few games needing that performance actually work on MacOS

Well, Apple G13 series are excellent rasterizers. I‘d expect them do very well in games, especially with that massive bandwidth and humongous caches. The problem is that not many games run on macOS. But if you are only interested in games with solid Mac support, they will perform very well (especially if it’s a native client like Baldurs Gates 3).

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by blakesterz »

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have a thumbdrive plugged in. Won't wake from sleep. Loses bluetooth randomly. Not at all what I'd expect from something built by the company with unlimited funds. I would expect those issues from the Ubuntu box, but the problems were small on that thing.

*Work... Docker, Ansible, Rails apps, nothing that requires amazing super power. Everything just runs slower.

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