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Re: Back to EU

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Post by krageon »

Zenst wrote: post #38

"What the UK government is proposing is going to put us on the same footing as US companies when it comes to dealing with EU customers, ie under the auspice of a regime that can’t be trusted." Not sure you want to alienate the US just to score some political points when by you own admission - the bulk of your business is with the US ( a country that has a larger patriotic base than the UK and more experience of how t…

> alienate the US

What is alienating about speaking the truth? Any US company must of necessity be considered to reside and operate under a privacy-hostile regime by an EU company thinking about doing business with them.

Re: Back to EU

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Post by rodelrod »

fabrika wrote: post #79
bellyfullofbac wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For how long now? Could it be that many EU potential customers haven't even talked to your company since 2016, and the people who are still talking to you are the ones who aren't worried about exporting their data outside of the EU?

I presume EU customers mostly use non-EU operating systems, browsers, other software. I find it hard to believe there's a real barrier.

Software you run on your machines is not a huge problem except in heavily regulated industries. Services that store and handle company's data, very much are.

Re: Back to EU

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Post by rodelrod »

archsurface wrote: post #35
bambax wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA: > Whatever we say to our customers about how Cronofy approaches data privacy and controls, corresponding enforcement will not follow. (...) We can make our protestations about ISO certifications, data management controls, segmented data hosting. However, prospective customers won’t necessarily get that far because we’ll be discounted based on our location. I don’t blame them. Data protection is fraught and…

I work at a global identity company in the UK - we don't have such problems. I'm afraid this blog post is nothing but grandstanding.

> we don't have such problems

Yet. Because you're still on compliance and procurement whitelists. If UK's regulation are no longer up to EU's standards, UK drops out of the whitelist and any supplier there jumps off the fast-track into the slow lane of "compliance audit". Spoiler: that's the point at which the contracting manager drops you for your far less able competitor that's hosted in Dublin or Amsterdam.

Re: Back to EU

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Post by Barrin92 »

>Whilst we’re headquartered in the UK, our revenue is split 55% US, 25% EU, 9% UK

Having worked as a European expat in the UK for about two years in the software industry this is how it looks for a lot of companies. Majority of revenue is either US or the European market (largely depending on what you're selling), with the UK market at most capturing say, 20%-30% of revenue.

It makes in my mind no sense at all to diverge from the EU on privacy policy. All the difficult compliance matters hat already been harmonized over the years, most of them are sensible anyhow and good enough to build upon, and the world is more and more moving towards data sovereignty type frameworks, in Asia as well.

The British market itself is now so small on the world-stage, some kind of national solo-mission when software is so reliant on global markets

Re: Back to EU

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Post by refurb »

nanna wrote: post #69
refurb wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you’d assume that those who voted “remain” don’t change their thinking by then. As other have mentioned the status quo is now something entirely different and “remain” won’t mean much in a decade.

> Not sure why you’d assume that those who voted “remain” don’t change their thinking by then. Didn't assume that. All I said was that 'those in charge will have come from a generation that overwhelmingly voted Remain', which will be true regardless. The kind of strategic thinking needed would be how to maintain their sentiments towards the EU. It's also of note that this generation is overwhelmingly progressive in t…

Every generation is “overwhelmingly progressive” in it’s youth. But move to be more conservative when they age.

Look at the US in the 1960’s. Those same hippies and radicals own $1M plus homes in CA and oppose any change to zoning laws that might let undesirable live near them.

Re: Back to EU

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Post by akmarinov »

nickd2001 wrote: post #39
nanna wrote: post #26

Honestly what we need in the UK is a Back to the EU campaign that formulates a long term strategy for returning. In two decades England's Baby Boomer generation will no longer hold the reigns of power in the country (please God) and those in charge will have come from a generation that overwhelmingly voted Remain.

Why would the EU ever want us back? Really? By the time England's population becomes strongly in favour of rejoining, our economy will have been fairly trashed, we won't be a significant player, the EU will have done just fine without us for ages, why would they ever let a former member that caused a bunch of trouble, back in? What's in it for them? Also I'm not convinced England's population ever will be in strong f…

Hey, the EU is talking with Albania and North Macedonia at the moment and even with a thousand Brexits, the UK won't get down to their level.

Point being - every bit helps!

Re: Back to EU

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Post by akmarinov »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #28
nanna wrote: post #26

Honestly what we need in the UK is a Back to the EU campaign that formulates a long term strategy for returning. In two decades England's Baby Boomer generation will no longer hold the reigns of power in the country (please God) and those in charge will have come from a generation that overwhelmingly voted Remain.

I can't see it happening but I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a Norway type deal (which was promised by many of the Brexiteers).

But that'll enable EU people to go live and work in the UK with no restrictions, that's way worse than what the UK had before.

Re: Back to EU

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Post by akmarinov »

zz865 wrote: post #36
nanna wrote: post #26

Honestly what we need in the UK is a Back to the EU campaign that formulates a long term strategy for returning. In two decades England's Baby Boomer generation will no longer hold the reigns of power in the country (please God) and those in charge will have come from a generation that overwhelmingly voted Remain.

You make it sound as if the EU will want the UK back.

It will, no questions asked. But at standard rules for joining - no rebates, adopting the Euro, etc

Re: Back to EU

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Post by archsurface »

nickd2001 wrote: post #42
archsurface wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backdoors for a calendar app no one's heard of? No offence, but bigger fish to fry. And why would the company breach GDPR if it's making such a fuss about sticking to it?

Although maybe Cronofy is not yet well-known, Adam Bird was also founder of Esendex which became pretty huge (Commify that is now known as)

Your logic is that a government would want a backdoor in this app because another app was successful? Just because the same founder? That's a lot of hopeful backdoors - poor return on investment for the government. I've worked on bigger projects than that without backdoors. "Pretty huge" is relative I guess - I certainly wouldn't describe it as that. I seriously doubt that app had a government backdoor, and neither will this one. Was that an attempted appeal to authority?
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